Undiscovery wrote:Well The Firstborn still watching his warriors isn't saying he's not a dissenter like satan. Satan had many follow him from grace aswell. Seeing as Solaire, a warrior of the Sunlight, is more than happy to murk Gwyn for you. Though killing end-game Gwyn isn't much of an identifier as he needs to be killed anyway to relight the flame or usher dark. Even Gwynevere asks you to indirectly by succeeding him. Who knows.
I don't think they'll ruin the story by confirming more data, I'm just honestly tired of polytheistc mythologies after studying them for a year. I enjoyed Demons story and lore a lot more, because the culture within was more relatable I feel and clearer metaphors to current events Real world. That's what makes me enjoy literature, what I can take from them and apply to study elsewhere.
You have been studying polytheistic mythologies? God help you...
I agree about Demons' Souls being better than Dark Souls in the story department - simply because more focused, and more impressive. Same goes for overall worldbuilding and environment... actually, Dark is inferior is almost every way except PvP and combat mechanics, and even that I give loosely, because they dumped stealth mechanic. Also, I miss the Assassin's armor
What I meant about the Firstborn is that he fell from grace, like Satan, but didn't abandon his duties or go evil. (No, killing Gwyn does not count) The firstborn still stuck around protecting his warriors etc etc even though he no longer had deific status.
Undiscovery wrote:Yeah your Kaathe comment was my whole 'primordial serpent' argument, it implies they were the evolutionary inception of serpents, which it turn means all dragons descended from them as well. Using Humans to kill the lights and put the serpents back in power. May be its why they love the Abyss as it has a semblance of the dark unformed world they once ruled. First time I saw Seath I didn't like him though even without really following the story. Traitors just erk me. But it also shows that the EL Drags didn't like Seath either, as they did not sympathize and purposely withheld immortality from him only urging his betrayal. It makes sense to use humans as well because their undead immortality is much more useful for the dragons who, while immortal, could have their immortality stripped away. The only real way to defeat the PC is to convince him to quit, because no matter how many times anyone kills him he keeps coming back. So who's really in hell here, the Undead? or their victims.
Whoa, you really put thought into this. Not to burst your bubble, but it could be as simple as Seath having the stigma of a traitor - you know, once a traitor, always a traitor. And, I find that a person's allegiances shape their speech - think of all the people who can speak fluent English, yet would be considered foreigners by the US or the UK. What's more is that Frampt, another primordial serpent uses the phrase "Lord Gwyn's former confidant, Seath the Scaleless."
Former confidant??? Implies Seath lost Gwyn's ear when he went south, but more importantly, shows that Frampt, a primordial serpent, does not call Seath a traitor. So again, allegiances, simple as that.
Speculating, Kaathe owed allegiance to the dragons, or is simply calling Seath what he is, in popular opinion. Frampt owes allegiance to the gods, and is calling Seath exactly what he was in the gods' opinion. Or maybe you're right