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    Re: The Son of Chaos.

    Post by ublug on Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:11 pm

    I could be missing something as well, one more thing needed to do.

    After you reload and respawn inside the arena he will not aggro when you take the clothes, you can even shoot him with arrows. But if you just wait without reloading he will aggro if you attack him or take the clothes. (at least he did so while being online)

    - I did the waiting offline, quit the game, then logged in and reloaded, and spawned inside. Warped back to the bonfire to try something else.
    - Then i tried to just stand and wait (online), and picked up her clothes without reloading, but he aggroed. I then quickly reloaded after he attacked once, and he was docile again.

    After you have done the reload trick:
    - If you just go down to the fog nothing happens.
    - If you go to the fog after you take the clothes, he will come running once you get there.
    - Maybe you have to wait, then go down to the fog (instead of reloading), go back and take the clothes, then back to the fog again.

    I'll see if I have another character I can sacrifice. Taking the clothes prevents more experiments, so I'll try to attack him instead.
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    Re: The Son of Chaos.

    Post by skarekrow13 on Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:21 pm

    That's what I thought would happen from your description. Means his suicide is kind of intended. I'll try some stuff tonight and let you know

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    Re: The Son of Chaos.

    Post by ublug on Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:06 pm

    Tried another character, same outcome. This time I tried to run back into the arena once he comes running, and he started attacking instead.

    But it doesn't feel right if it involves reloading. And why the respawn point in that area? Are there any other ways to respawn without reloading? Homeward bone just takes me back to the last bonfire. Could try dying.

    I'm on the fifth character now, trying the wait without meeting my assumed requirements.
    / And it respawns... Looks like it was just a matter of waiting in the right spot long enough. I tried every combination the first time, but I probably messed up the location. This character is way of white with a minor egghead. I'll remove the head and try again.
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    Re: The Son of Chaos.

    Post by DoughGuy on Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:39 pm

    Have you tried attacking the wall you respawn in front of? Or getting him to hit the wall your in front of?


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    Re: The Son of Chaos.

    Post by ublug on Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:41 pm

    DoughGuy wrote:Have you tried attacking the wall you respawn in front of? Or getting him to hit the wall your in front of?
    Yes, both resulted in nothing.
    I'm all out of ideas, everything I could think of trying came up with no further results. I also quit the game completely, started it back up and respawned at the same spot, so it's not a cached data bug either. The egghead wasn't even necessary.
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    Re: The Son of Chaos.

    Post by DoughGuy on Sun Apr 08, 2012 11:45 pm

    Does Ceaseless die when you do this? Do you have to kill him to get out of the arena? This might be what the director was talking about.


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    Re: The Son of Chaos.

    Post by skarekrow13 on Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:02 am

    That's what I was thinking too. Still no luck here either

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    Re: The Son of Chaos.

    Post by skarekrow13 on Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:06 am

    Holy shiiiiii........

    Took two offline tries and respawned just like you showed! Not sure if I dare grab the set. Only have one shot unless I beat the game again. Edit** I did an improptu journal of shenanigans and outcomes so I wouldn't forget what I did.

    I just did a bunch if gestures in front of ceaseless and quit/reloaded at the spot. Still in the arena. Then I quit from a different spot. Reloaded in the spawn point but facing the new direction

    Turned online mode back on. Still spawning inside.

    Turned console off. Starting game online. Still spawning inside.

    Looked around. Nothing else seems to do anything. Gonna grab the clothes.

    Grabbed em, cured egghead, quit game. Spawned inside. Put on clothes and witches ring. Nothing new.

    Completely docile until I reached the door. I never did the run kill before with him. What normally happens. Don't wanna spoil anything if this is different


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    Re: The Son of Chaos.

    Post by skarekrow13 on Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:53 am

    Ok. I stopped for the night. Ceaseless is still alive. I confirmed that I will reset in the arena with a peaceful lava monster. Anybody, rattle off some things to try before I have to off him. About the only limitation is that I already used my chaos pyro so I am out of magic. A lot of weapons are in the box too.

    Ublug, +1 and thanks!


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    Re: The Son of Chaos.

    Post by WyrmHero on Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:08 am

    I wanna try this...maybe you don't have to be egg head at all?

    Edit: ublug just stated this, disregard.


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    Re: The Son of Chaos.

    Post by WyrmHero on Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:09 am

    I get it now, thats why the director said it may look like a bug!!!!


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    Re: The Son of Chaos.

    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:17 am

    Can some one PM me with the steps to doing this please. I find the thread a bit confusing.


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    Re: The Son of Chaos.

    Post by DoughGuy on Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:12 am

    No egg, no covenant. Im trying this right now.


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    Re: The Son of Chaos.

    Post by WyrmHero on Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:23 am

    No egg nor covenant too, waited in front of corpse and consumed 2 trasient curses in online mode. Spawned outside fog gate sad Going to wait 15 mins.


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    Re: The Son of Chaos.

    Post by DoughGuy on Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:29 am

    Waited just over 11 min, offline. Spawned outside.


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    Re: The Son of Chaos.

    Post by WyrmHero on Mon Apr 09, 2012 4:38 am

    Waited more than 15 mins, spawned outside too. Online and offline.


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    Re: The Son of Chaos.

    Post by skarekrow13 on Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:00 am

    Ublug.....How many times did it take on your first character to land this? I tried it at least six or seven times. I got a possible theory to float by you.....

    Ublug's testing seems to suggest that covenant, egghead and equipment don't matter. Sorry Ublug if I get it wrong but it seems like you also found it CAN work on or offline.

    My tests reveal that equipment is unlikely to be a factor. I was Chaos +2 and Egghead but I trust you fully ublug in saying that these don't matter. I ended up doing this offline but it didn't work until the second offline trial. Also, with the last few online trials I was standing in a near identical spot to where it eventually worked. Once it does work I think we've both confirmed that you can quit/reload from anywhere in the arena.

    Soooo.....Ublug...how did you come across ten minutes for the time? My theory is that you'll need an hour or better. If you add all my trials I was between an hour and an hour and a half in total time just standing around in there. It seems that the concept is that you are demonstrating your lack of hostility and/or commitment to the memorial. For a guy determined to watch his sister for eternity, he's gonna need a LOT of proof. Also, From is infamous for the "look at this item 255 times" secret, which is kind of a preposterous dedication to details. If others are testing, KEEP TRYING! This definitely works, we just need to work on the details.

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    Re: The Son of Chaos.

    Post by ublug on Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:05 am

    I was just messing around in the boss area after getting an egghead, then left my character there while doing some other stuff, when I came back I reloaded to skip the walk back to the fog. Figured I triggered something when I spawned inside the arena.

    I'm still not satisfied with the results. He also said 'without killing' so there could be another approach, unless it's a translation issue, but I believe the spawn point is part of it.

    I originally thought a rock worm would come out of that wall by the altar and transport you to the first hidden bonfire in the next area. The fact that this next bonfire doesn't spawn unless you kill ceaseless kind of goes toward this theory, or something similar.


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    Re: The Son of Chaos.

    Post by skarekrow13 on Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:36 am

    Yeah, the "without killing" part is a thorn in my side too. I wonder if he meant without "fighting." I just looked at the wiki strategies and I guess I won't spoil anything if I talk more about the end result. Still gonna put it in spoiler camouflage though. Ublug....I know you held back a good deal so if the spoiler is too much let me know and I will take it down. This is your show. Also, do you know about how long you left your character there? I'm starting to think that the only key to this is time in the arena without messing around with stuff.

    Spoiler:

    The wiki basically states you have to aggro him by grabbing the set and then running like hell to the gate. It also adds that you should try to get him to melee you so he follows you all the way he needs to. When I grabbed the set he just kept staring. I tried every gesture, looked through every item I had on me and even dropped a pendant in front of ceaseless and quit/reload. I did the same with rubbish. I have two more extra pendants, I can try at the altar I suppose. Along the walk back to the fog gate I kept expecting him to start after me. By the time he did I was so close to the fog I didn't think he ever would. I actually jumped when the music started. I turned to watch him and, unlike the wiki advice, he had NOOOOO problem following me despite the fact that he was starting from his original point and going all the way back to me. I had never had him chase me before so the jump "attack" almost made me have a heart attack. Something that big and made of lava jumping at you like that......WOW. Notice I put quotation marks around the work "attack." Since I was working exclusively in this area last night with no chance of combat, etc. I had the sound up enough to actually hear for once. When he first approached I stopped moving except to turn around. The two parts of him that actually strike were nowhere near me. I was in a very significant safe zone. More important perhaps is what he's doing. The one part is smaller and near the fog gate. The other completely blocks your way back to the altar. He traps you there but can't attack. Presumably he should still have about eighty other tentacles/arms to whack a mole your face and a fire attack yet he doesn't. Back to the sound.....he's whimpering. And staring right at you. My interpretation is he's making you finish it. You came, you changed something and now he wants it over. Comparing the two ways to get him to "want" to die seems significant too. With the wiki advice he seems to want to kill you and stop you get almost to a point of no return. Perhaps the jump attack is a last ditch effort and, realizing he can't do anymore, he begs for death. The Ublug way is definitely weirder. He doesn't even bother trying to stop you. He's letting you go, perhaps after sensing you mean no harm. The decision to follow is last minute. I was thoroughly convinced last night that all he wanted was for it all to be over.

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    Re: The Son of Chaos.

    Post by skarekrow13 on Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:52 pm

    Research log round two:
    I hit every wall with gs+15, nada
    Left pendant at altar and in front of ceaseless by fog gate. Nada
    Confirmed arrows have no effect before he chases you. Not only does he not aggro, they don't do damage. It seems they want you locked in to the scene at the gate.
    Noticed that, when he chases you, his right side opens up into a giant lava cavity. Half of his chest seems hollow.
    Arrows burn when they hit him. Cool!
    Homeward bone works normally.
    No new dialogues from Quelaan, Eingyi or Quelana.
    New enchilada doritos are awexome.
    Returning to the arena aggros him and he now uses his fire attack
    Quitting game places me outside the fog now.
    Can't get get him to make the jump at me. Just keeps using fire. He's pretty pissed at me
    Had to put him down. Research is done for now.
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    Re: The Son of Chaos.

    Post by Tolvo on Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:58 pm

    Have you ever tried not hitting him when he jumps, does he just stay there, kill you, or does he just fall to his death?
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    Re: The Son of Chaos.

    Post by Yukon on Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:15 am

    I'd be angry at you too if you got your dusty little dorito fingers all over my dead sisters body. Jeez Skare, what were you thinking?


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    Re: The Son of Chaos.

    Post by skarekrow13 on Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:22 am

    Lol. Before I left the area and blew it, he just hung on waiting for death. Walking into him didn't damage me even. He definitely showed a different strategy than when he was mad. Not even a whisper of an attack until I left and came back. Then all fire, all day.

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    Re: The Son of Chaos.

    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:04 am

    skarekrow13 wrote:Research log round two:
    I hit every wall with gs+15, nada
    Left pendant at altar and in front of ceaseless by fog gate. Nada
    Confirmed arrows have no effect before he chases you. Not only does he not aggro, they don't do damage. It seems they want you locked in to the scene at the gate.
    Noticed that, when he chases you, his right side opens up into a giant lava cavity. Half of his chest seems hollow.
    Arrows burn when they hit him. Cool!
    Homeward bone works normally.
    No new dialogues from Quelaan, Eingyi or Quelana.
    New enchilada doritos are awexome.
    Returning to the arena aggros him and he now uses his fire attack
    Quitting game places me outside the fog now.
    Can't get get him to make the jump at me. Just keeps using fire. He's pretty pissed at me
    Had to put him down. Research is done for now.
    Was going back to try undead rapport and seek guidance




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    Re: The Son of Chaos.

    Post by skarekrow13 on Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:58 am

    I was really hoping I would be able to resume in the arena by using homeward bone and stepping inside and doing the quit/reload trick. Sadly I had done just about everything I could think of with what I had in the arena. Was hoping undead rapport when he's asking you to kill him would do something or that Oscar had left me a message there. Might have to do another playthrough eventually :x


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