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    Jack of all Strength Builds

    Post by kazumoshi on Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:30 pm

    http://mmdks.com/2uoc
    Here's the build that I've been frantically working on for the past while. In the early stages I wanted an armor setup that was a little more aesthetically pleasing, but this will have to do. If you can come up a stylish armor combo that fits these parameters, then please let me know. (Defense is somewhat irrelevant, though above 300 on most of the physicals is preferred) 
    The build is pretty self explanatory. I like having the ability to swap rings mid combat for more variety. Health is a little low for a strength build, but that's fine. What I'm really worried about is how having 160 as apposed to 192 stamina will affect performance. (Anyone with a similar build let me know?)


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    Re: Jack of all Strength Builds

    Post by RANT on Sun Jun 23, 2013 9:56 pm

    http://mmdks.com/2urw 50 str if you wanna med or fat roll with havels shield, that would be my sl 120 if I leveled u  my sl 99. If you don't care about looks you can use that ugly waistcloth for 53 poise.


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    Re: Jack of all Strength Builds

    Post by Jansports on Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:50 pm

    If you're willing to wear the Maiden robe/Antiquated/Painting Gaurdian Chest instead of Dingy you could wear the Royal or Catarina helm instead of Garg, same 36 poise.

    Really you have to Jump through so many hoops to fast roll while using Str weapons. I think My 120 Str build has 72End or something amazingly stupid like that. It's impressive you hit 36 poise no wolf while using the DGM, no matter how bad it looks.

    I would note, if you use the darkhand to parry rather than block, a Dagger would serve you better, as it's ability to R1 and stop fishing expeditions is nice. Though an unlocked 2hr1 would work just as well and hurt a lot more.
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    Re: Jack of all Strength Builds

    Post by SirArchmage on Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:50 am

    I decided to make two builds for you. One of them completely forgoes aesthetics in favor of having poise and health, and I have made some minor adjustments to the bow and spells, as well as the level.
    http://mmdks.com/2utm

    And here is one that is more aesthetically pleasing, with higher albeit higher level.
    http://mmdks.com/2utv

    But I would definitely go with our resident strength guru, RANT. He has been playing this much longer then I and is known to know his way about strength.


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    Re: Jack of all Strength Builds

    Post by kazumoshi on Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:04 am

    Appreciating all the ideas, but I guess I forgot to state that the whole point of this build is that it's not limited to one ring. 
    DWGR for flipping at 36
    Wolf for tanking at 76 (this is made possible as well, by the defense rating of my armor, however ugly)
    Hornet for ending matches I don't want to have (or quick ganker take downs)
    BDCR For finishing people with Fire Surge.


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    Re: Jack of all Strength Builds

    Post by xenon_nobelium on Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:44 am

    http://mmdks.com/2uwq this armor, i found this to be the perfect setup for a str build. thorns give you a bit more BS protection. as already suggested, a offhand weapon that can parry will give you more tools (mainly also backstab prevention), you can block with 2h weapon. check out cestus or dagger for 0.5 and curved swords/piercing swords for more weight. from my experience it is a better idea to have a blackknight guy with 36/18 and a str guy with 40/x instead of merging them into one build. 160stamina is plenty btw...


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    Re: Jack of all Strength Builds

    Post by kazumoshi on Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:08 am

    xenon_nobelium wrote:http://mmdks.com/2uwq this armor, i found this to be the perfect setup for a str build. thorns give you a bit more BS protection. as already suggested, a offhand weapon that can parry will give you more tools (mainly also backstab prevention), you can block with 2h weapon. check out cestus or dagger for 0.5 and curved swords/piercing swords for more weight. from my experience it is a better idea to have a blackknight guy with 36/18 and a str guy with 40/x instead of merging them into one build. 160stamina is plenty btw...
    That actually looks pretty good.  I'll try this armor combo out.
    I do actually have a different strength build, which is really the one that made me fall in love with strength weapons in the first place. http://mmdks.com/2uwz
    This is just something I've wanted to do to put strength in a new light.


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    Re: Jack of all Strength Builds

    Post by Ghadis_God on Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:09 am

    OP, your build is fine as is and you have great taste in bigass swords, I love the DGM.


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    Re: Jack of all Strength Builds

    Post by shadowzninjaz on Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:49 am

    Ghadis_God wrote:OP, your build is fine as is and you have great taste in bigass swords, I love the DGM.

    I agree with ghadis that build is fine how u have it in my opinion its really good probs something i use with an str build


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    Re: Jack of all Strength Builds

    Post by xenon_nobelium on Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:24 am

    http://mmdks.com/2uyw just quickly dump this here, buff the club with fire and you have a nice fire/plague shaman theme. this would be my build if i did lvl120 chars...
    16stone to adjust equip lets you wield BK axe, if you need more just change the torso. i chose logans+guardian instead of chain+steel for torso and hands due to a better balaced elemental defense. this one looks good, has a nice theme and will wreck people up...maybe i'll break my own rules and finally build a lvl120...damn.

    edit: http://mmdks.com/2v77 this'll do for me
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    Re: Jack of all Strength Builds

    Post by Shakie666 on Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:33 pm

    Don't mean to change the subject, but I thought you needed 77 poise to not be stunned by UG weapons?

    Wouldn't it be a better idea to just specialise in one thing and not bother with versatility? As the saying goes; Jack of all trades, master of none.

    In light of what I just said, here's my offering.
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    Re: Jack of all Strength Builds

    Post by SirArchmage on Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:12 pm

    It is only 76 poise to not be stunned by a two-handed attack from an Ultra Greatsword.

    And in Dark Souls, specializing in only one thing can get you killed. Fast. Due to the way that it works, you can plan out your character to be pretty much unkillable to a certain type of build. Like I have a faith tank that has a Stone Greatshield with 80% magic resist, as well as Great Magic Barrier. I have never been killed by a mage while using it. But if someone decided to switch between hitting my shield with a Shotel and poking me with a fast weapon between my Greataxe swings, they would probably win. So having a build that adapts to many different scenarios is pretty much way to kill everything in Dark Souls.


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    Re: Jack of all Strength Builds

    Post by Ghadis_God on Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:34 pm

    I disagree, a versatile build gets killed by everything because to branch out you become weaker in the process. Specialization is strength, and you just have to use skill when the opponent has a build that's a natural counter to yours. http://mmdks.com/2v97 This build is SL120 and is outclassed by everything because it tries to do too much even though it can use Str weps, Dexterity weps, cast magic, and use miracles. Compare to this build: http://mmdks.com/2v9a It has one offensive stat and one alone: Intelligence. However, it's far more effective than the first, far more effective than most builds period. There are ways to become versatile while using one stat alone. Magic builds become proficient in close combat with buffs. Dex builds become proficient in heavy hits with Pyro. Strength builds become useful at range with xbows and the Demon Spear.


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    Re: Jack of all Strength Builds

    Post by Doctor Snuggles on Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:17 am

    Ghadis_God wrote:I disagree, a versatile build gets killed by everything because to branch out you become weaker in the process. Specialization is strength, and you just have to use skill when the opponent has a build that's a natural counter to yours. http://mmdks.com/2v97 This build is SL120 and is outclassed by everything because it tries to do too much even though it can use Str weps, Dexterity weps, cast magic, and use miracles. Compare to this build: http://mmdks.com/2v9a It has one offensive stat and one alone: Intelligence. However, it's far more effective than the first, far more effective than most builds period. There are ways to become versatile while using one stat alone. Magic builds become proficient in close combat with buffs. Dex builds become proficient in heavy hits with Pyro. Strength builds become useful at range with xbows and the Demon Spear.

    I think by "versatility" they don't mean "level everything at the same time".

    Having a major strength and a minor strength or even a few minor strengths is key I think. If you have only one method of fighting then you're going to be picked apart once they figure you out.

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