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    Please Have Greatbows Return, or Better, GREAT CROSSBOWS!

    Post by SadPanda on Sun Jun 23, 2013 10:32 am

    To be honest, the greatbows didn't get enough love in Dark Souls. And the Sniper Crossbow was a love that could have been...

    If anyone from FROM (laughing) is reading this, for the love of God, please. Who's with me? Well What is it


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    Post by Dibsville on Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:19 am

    But Sniper Crossbow is so OP.
    We can't let the secret out, it will become too common. D:


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    Post by SadPanda on Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:36 am

    Dibsville wrote:But Sniper Crossbow is so OP.
    We can't let the secret out, it will become too common. D:
    Prostration Please tell me you're joking...


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    Post by Dibsville on Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:39 am

    SadPanda wrote:
    Dibsville wrote:But Sniper Crossbow is so OP.
    We can't let the secret out, it will become too common. D:
    Prostration Please tell me you're joking...
    Good, just play along like it's terrible.

    Keep them in the dark. Smart... 

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    Re: Please Have Greatbows Return, or Better, GREAT CROSSBOWS!

    Post by LunarFog on Sun Jun 23, 2013 1:11 pm

    Great crossbow?  A ballista shot from monster hunter?  I could go for that.

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    Post by Dibsville on Sun Jun 23, 2013 1:18 pm

    Already looks like Monster Hunter...
    You see that Greatsword swing?

    If that's not a copy, than it's a damn good reference.


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    Post by LunarFog on Sun Jun 23, 2013 1:26 pm

    Dibsville wrote:Already looks like Monster Hunter...
    You see that Greatsword swing?

    If that's not a copy, than it's a damn good reference.
    If it has support skills like monster hunter(bomber+ / StatusUp) Then I'll be perfectly ok with that.

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    Post by Dibsville on Sun Jun 23, 2013 1:28 pm

    I'll be fine as long as it's not too much like Monster Hunter...
    Looking at it now, it's like it's slowly shaping into MH...


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    Post by LunarFog on Sun Jun 23, 2013 1:58 pm

    Dibsville wrote:I'll be fine as long as it's not too much like Monster Hunter...
    Looking at it now, it's like it's slowly shaping into MH...
    It was always similar enough for me to compare it to monster hunter "but way quicker oaced and with lock on" since Demon Souls.  I don't think we have too much to worry about with dark souls becoming monster hunter.   Although the combination of the two would be pretty intense.

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    Post by Uparkaam on Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:00 pm

    I don't really care how big crossbows they're going to make. I just want to be able to aim with them properly lol


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    Post by SadPanda on Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:14 pm

    LunarFog wrote:
    Dibsville wrote:I'll be fine as long as it's not too much like Monster Hunter...
    Looking at it now, it's like it's slowly shaping into MH...
    It was always similar enough for me to compare it to monster hunter "but way quicker oaced and with lock on" since Demon Souls.  I don't think we have too much to worry about with dark souls becoming monster hunter.   Although the combination of the two would be pretty intense.
    Well just look at Dragon's Dogma. That games a mix between most of the best RPG's out there. SotC, MH, it's a masterpiece...

    VERY underrated in my opinion.


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    Post by Dibsville on Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:15 pm

    SadPanda wrote:
    LunarFog wrote:
    Dibsville wrote:I'll be fine as long as it's not too much like Monster Hunter...
    Looking at it now, it's like it's slowly shaping into MH...
    It was always similar enough for me to compare it to monster hunter "but way quicker oaced and with lock on" since Demon Souls.  I don't think we have too much to worry about with dark souls becoming monster hunter.   Although the combination of the two would be pretty intense.
    Well just look at Dragon's Dogma. That games a mix between most of the best RPG's out there. SotC, MH, it's a masterpiece...

    VERY underrated in my opinion.
    And yet I still haven't played it. ;_;


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    Post by SadPanda on Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:20 pm

    Dibsville wrote:
    SadPanda wrote:
    LunarFog wrote:
    Dibsville wrote:I'll be fine as long as it's not too much like Monster Hunter...
    Looking at it now, it's like it's slowly shaping into MH...
    It was always similar enough for me to compare it to monster hunter "but way quicker oaced and with lock on" since Demon Souls.  I don't think we have too much to worry about with dark souls becoming monster hunter.   Although the combination of the two would be pretty intense.
    Well just look at Dragon's Dogma. That games a mix between most of the best RPG's out there. SotC, MH, it's a masterpiece...

    VERY underrated in my opinion.
    And yet I still haven't played it. ;_;
    Damn it Dibs, get it together.


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    Post by Dibsville on Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:21 pm

    Want Dark Arisen so bad.


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    Post by SadPanda on Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:23 pm

    Dibsville wrote:Want Dark Arisen so bad.
    I'm getting that when I switch over to PS3 in a couple of months. Probably have 150 hours on the original.


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    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:59 am

    its worth it, trust me, DD Da is a ton of fun, the bitterblack isle is more fun than the main game imo!

    as for mega crossbows, I believe the Chinese had ones that had to be spanned using the archers legs to push the string into position, maybe something like that but just has a high str req so you can use your hands instead, unless you twohand in which case you could set up as an immobile turret with faster reload than one handed...


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    Post by TheMeInTeam on Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:34 pm

    Gogo power within + red tearstone + cursed + dusk crown ring --> sniper xbow.

    Line that up carefully with binoculars on the stationary ganker waving at you in the forest, and laugh if you get a headshot.  I have never tried this, but it would work in theory.

    Seriously, they need to make xbows aim-able.  I am happy that at least in Dark Souls you could upgrade them and they could be used somewhat; in demon's souls the xbow was 100% worthless for anything but pulling.


    as for mega crossbows, I believe the Chinese had ones that had to be spanned using the archers legs to push the string into position

    Historically, the strongest 1-man xbows require that + cranking it to pull the string back, then setting the bolt.  The reload time was immense, but the force was great enough that it could pierce through chainmail and most other light metal armor and kill someone pretty easily (not so good vs true platemail or lamellar).

    A faster and still plenty-lethal version was the one you stood on and used both hands to draw, then set the bolt.  That loaded pretty quickly by comparison, but still longer than in-game versions.  This is probably like the xbow version of a greatbow and should be used.

    Lighter crossbows didn't have the same kind of force.  Chinese repeating xbows are quite old actually and had "clips" of like 10 bolts (!), but traded away so much power to be able to shoot rapidly that they couldn't get killing force on their own (these bolts were typically poison-coated).

    There weren't many practical versions like dark souls represents, where the reload was so fast and relatively simple.  By contrast, however, most xbows could put forces well beyond anything a bow would achieve, excepting the longbows where people trained basically their whole life to use them (those had more range).

    Xbows, like spears and perhaps even more so, are among the most heavily underrated weapons in gaming when compared agianst what they actually did in history.

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