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    Ornstein and Smough

    Post by Coryf2209 on Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:28 am

    Seeing how Ornstein and Smough both grow when one dies is because they absorb the soul of whichever one dies, not unlike how you can absorb souls.  That is probably the lore-related reason you can't get both from the fight.  Smough is too large to be a human, and too small to be a giant.  I'm thinking maybe from eating the bones of his victims, he was absorbing a small amount of their power, thus growing stronger, but not much.  Realizing this, he then killed some powerful dude, possibly the firstborn, who's death has no obvious cause, and absorbed his soul, growing the the miniature goliath he is when you meet him.  He was sentanced to guard the cathedral when everyone left, and Ornstein was assigned as his warden, while also guarding the cathedral.  Ornstein would have been choses over all of the other knights due to his giant spear being able to pierce through dragon scales and thus, Smough's armor which grew with him, becoming bigger and tougher as Smough's body grew larger.  Weaponwise, Ornstein is probably the only knight physically capable of killing Smough, should he decide to try escaping.  Upon killing Smough first, Ornstein, probably feeling rather intimidated by the fact that that both of them were unable to defeat you, absorbs Smough's soul in an act of desperation to perform his duty, and also save himself, and thus becomes very big, since Smough's soul contains the power of other souls.  If you kill Ornstein first, Smough laughs as he smashes Ornstein's body and absorbs his soul, possibly excited about killing you, and finally being free, thinking that his new immense power will be enough to overcome you with ease.  Mostly speculation, slightly based on ingame facts, but seems plausible.


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    Re: Ornstein and Smough

    Post by Dibsville on Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:38 am

    This seems like a very plausible explanation, and it makes a ton of sense. I like the idea, but there are a few things that may contradict it...
    Smough actually wanted to be ranked alongside the Four Knights. Being the Executioner that he was, it's possible that Gwyn simply sent him to guard the Cathedral just because of the way he was. Ornstein and Smough may just have a deal that should one die, the other should absorb their power in order to defeat the intruder.

    Think about it, what better guard is there than one that will gleefully kill an intruder?


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    Re: Ornstein and Smough

    Post by Coryf2209 on Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:50 am

    Dibsville wrote:-snip-
    Since they are both immortal, it's quite possible they developed a relationship, being the only living things in the building, since everything else is an illusion except the giant blacksmith way over in the far side.

    "Think about it, what better guard is there than one that will gleefully kill an intruder?"


    One that's in a fight for his freedom.


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    Re: Ornstein and Smough

    Post by Dibsville on Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:55 am

    But again, Smough wanted to be one of the Four Knights.

    Also, Ornstein is arguably the strongest of the Four Knights lore-wise, so if Smough were strong enough that Gwyn would order Ornstein to oversee him, then it probably would have been a better choice to simply kill Smough.


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    Re: Ornstein and Smough

    Post by Coryf2209 on Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:46 pm

    Unless he wanted him for another purpose?  It's all mostly speculation, anyways, but if it's true, it adds whole new systems with the way the gods work.


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    Re: Ornstein and Smough

    Post by Thxodore on Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:48 pm

    There is also the possibility that they might both be illusions created by Gwyndolin....winking

    Some people say that can't be because you get drops from them, but you also get drops from the Giants you kill, who are illusions.

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    Re: Ornstein and Smough

    Post by Dibsville on Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:22 pm

    Thxodore wrote:There is also the possibility that they might both be illusions created by Gwyndolin....winking

    Some people say that can't be because you get drops from them, but you also get drops from the Giants you kill, who are illusions.

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    It's a good thought, but they don't disappear when Gwyndolin dies like the other illusions created by Gwyndolin. (i.e. Giants and Batwing Demons).


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    Re: Ornstein and Smough

    Post by Thxodore on Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:58 pm

    True, true. In any case, I believe that Ornstein was indeed the Captain of the Four Knights, and the strongest lore-wise. I feel like his role was underplayed too much in Dark Souls compared to the other knights. Seeing him and /or conversing with him in the DLC would have been amazing, don't you think?
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    Re: Ornstein and Smough

    Post by SadPanda on Tue Aug 27, 2013 3:05 pm

    Stein 'n' Smoog are strange characters. They were more than strong enough to protect Anor Londo from the dragons (not to mention Flan, Gwyndolin, and Gough.) Why they never went to see if Gough was still alive I have no idea. And every Silver Knight has a Dragonslayer Greatbow, and since the Everlasting Dragons were gone, they wouldn't have to worry about stone scales. So there was really no point in the gods leaving Anor Londo. Only three ever got past. And that's Havel, Tarkus, and you.

    So really, Anor Londo is safe, and had all the gods stayed, you wouldn't have won. But that breaks the undead prophecy, etc. etc...


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    Re: Ornstein and Smough

    Post by Thxodore on Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:19 pm

    Loved that comment Panda. That is true. But all the gods left for reasons other than the safety of AL in my opinion.

    Gwyndolin left because he feared that the age of dark was taking over, and that probably caused the sun to fade as well. He left not because he feared for his safety in AL, but because he feared that the age of Fire that he created, and his legacy, was fading, and fading fast.

    Gwynevere and Flann? It's hard to say why they left. Any idea?
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    Re: Ornstein and Smough

    Post by SadPanda on Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:20 pm

    Gwyndolin never left. I assume Gwynwvere and Flan went off to make more God-babies.

    We probably haven't even met Gwyn's firstborn yet, Solaire is no way strong enough.


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