How to Even the Odds

    Share

    Poll

    Do you Gank People?

    [ 3 ]
    6% [6%] 
    [ 10 ]
    19% [19%] 
    [ 1 ]
    2% [2%] 
    [ 5 ]
    10% [10%] 
    [ 33 ]
    63% [63%] 

    Total Votes: 52
    avatar
    Jansports
    Hollowed
    Hollowed

    Posts : 1612
    Reputation : 86
    Join date : 2012-07-27

    None

    Post by Jansports on Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:53 am

    Tolvo wrote:Very good stuff Jan, and I was planning to add a lot of that but it's good to have someone else's version of it as well in the thread.  Another useful Miracle, Force.  It is one of the greatest escape tools, since you can knock away three people then run to a better fighting position, not to mention how many casts it has. 



    For some reason quoting is broken for me, I can't get out of the quote box to say my own stuff. But yes Force is basically a no damage WoG, making it suitable for everything good WoG does but the damage.
    How come I can't get out of other people's quote boxes, I don't like this new format it's not working for me

    Animaaal
    Compulsory Poster
    Compulsory Poster

    Posts : 3419
    Reputation : 175
    Join date : 2013-01-17

    Re: How to Even the Odds

    Post by Animaaal on Mon Jun 17, 2013 9:55 am

    *switch editor mode* winking

    Animaaal
    Compulsory Poster
    Compulsory Poster

    Posts : 3419
    Reputation : 175
    Join date : 2013-01-17

    Re: How to Even the Odds

    Post by Animaaal on Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:20 am

    I've seen a pretty good video about Karmic Justice, I think it was MAYHEM...?

    Using a shield that blocks 99% physical damage or below, seemed to be a good tactic.

    I'd imagine it could be set up nicely on a anti-gank build, and also provide maximum lols.

    One more notch on the bedpost for miracles I guess.
    avatar
    Dibsville
    Abyss Dweller
    Abyss Dweller

    Posts : 9377
    Reputation : 134
    Join date : 2013-03-09
    Age : 20
    Location : Gensōkyō

    Re: How to Even the Odds

    Post by Dibsville on Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:44 am

    Animaaal wrote:Using a shield that blocks 99% physical damage or below, seemed to be a good tactic.
    No shield does this.

    Mayhem used the Crystal Ring Shield, which blocks 70%.


    _________________
    PSN: Dibsville
    The Exiled of Ariamis; join the cause!
    EarthScraper wrote:OK, now I've just learnt that you never mess with Dibs on a Dark Souls topic, cause he will put you down.
    avatar
    Tolvo
    Town Crier
    Town Crier

    Posts : 13287
    Reputation : 542
    Join date : 2012-02-01
    Age : 25
    Location : The Forest, Illinois

    Re: How to Even the Odds

    Post by Tolvo on Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:48 am

    That's why he said 99% or below.  

    http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/Wooden+Shield
    avatar
    Sentiel
    Compulsory Poster
    Compulsory Poster

    Posts : 3181
    Reputation : 231
    Join date : 2012-11-26
    Age : 29
    Location : Mushroom Kingdom

    Re: How to Even the Odds

    Post by Sentiel on Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:49 am

    I'd probably go with Grass Crest, but whatever.

    avatar
    Halicarnassis
    Caffeinated
    Caffeinated

    Posts : 718
    Reputation : 15
    Join date : 2012-01-17
    Age : 42
    Location : Dark EngeLando!

    Re: How to Even the Odds

    Post by Halicarnassis on Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:59 am

    Grass crest or Caduceus at lower levels; its magic protection is really good!


    _________________
    DMB vs SLB.. results here -  bit.ly 153iRJV
    PSN ID: Halicarnassis Twitter: @Halicarnassis
    Tweets by @Halicarnassis

    LunarFog wrote:"The Moon Pit" seems like someplace naughty I would go to see buff men swinging their junk.

    Animaaal
    Compulsory Poster
    Compulsory Poster

    Posts : 3419
    Reputation : 175
    Join date : 2013-01-17

    Re: How to Even the Odds

    Post by Animaaal on Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:01 am

    I don't think a shield that blocks 100% will activate it.

    Effigy might work nice as well.  I might even try the Darkhand, but the "knockback" might get in the way of activation a little.  I don't know though, I've never tried a build like that myself.

    *edit*

    Actually, I think any shield that lets you take some damage will activate it.  However, having a shield that doesn't block 100% of physical damage is the most reliable way to activate it. idk
    avatar
    Sentiel
    Compulsory Poster
    Compulsory Poster

    Posts : 3181
    Reputation : 231
    Join date : 2012-11-26
    Age : 29
    Location : Mushroom Kingdom

    Re: How to Even the Odds

    Post by Sentiel on Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:28 am

    100% won't activate it. To activate KJ, you need to receive HP damage of ANY kind. So even if you have a 100% Physical shield and block elemental, or magic damage, it will still activate KJ. A best way to show this is to block Soulmass spell.

    Mayhem used Crystal Ring Shield cos it blocks decently both Physical and Magical damage, but let's some through, so it activates KJ. Also, people know it has low Stability, so they will be more aggresive and attempt to break your guard, thus further helping KJ activation.

    avatar
    Tolvo
    Town Crier
    Town Crier

    Posts : 13287
    Reputation : 542
    Join date : 2012-02-01
    Age : 25
    Location : The Forest, Illinois

    Re: How to Even the Odds

    Post by Tolvo on Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:33 am

    There is also the suicide tactic for really dumb enemies.  Even if you are dying, if they continue to swing and hit your dying body it will set it off.

    Animaaal
    Compulsory Poster
    Compulsory Poster

    Posts : 3419
    Reputation : 175
    Join date : 2013-01-17

    Re: How to Even the Odds

    Post by Animaaal on Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:38 am

    ^ Oh that would be so sweet. big grin

    I would totally blow through all my humanity just to do that.Joy
    avatar
    Tolvo
    Town Crier
    Town Crier

    Posts : 13287
    Reputation : 542
    Join date : 2012-02-01
    Age : 25
    Location : The Forest, Illinois

    Re: How to Even the Odds

    Post by Tolvo on Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:40 am

    It is a classic trick, basically go super hyper mode, RTSR and all, on a glass cannon.  Gankers will often button mash while surrounding you, and since you'd die anyway from getting caught you blow up and kill them all, best done at a bit lower of levels so they don't have the best armor and too high of vit.
    avatar
    Sentiel
    Compulsory Poster
    Compulsory Poster

    Posts : 3181
    Reputation : 231
    Join date : 2012-11-26
    Age : 29
    Location : Mushroom Kingdom

    Re: How to Even the Odds

    Post by Sentiel on Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:43 am

    Tolvo. So far I thought that Rosie is the one pure evil around here. You proved me wrong.

    avatar
    Kirk-Barb
    Obsessed
    Obsessed

    Posts : 359
    Reputation : 35
    Join date : 2012-03-30
    Location : Illinois

    Re: How to Even the Odds

    Post by Kirk-Barb on Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:44 am

    I think the first thing needed to be successful against multiple foes is your brain. The battles are always fluid and different.  Your first step should be to assess your opponents strengths and weakness.  And most importantly, are they talking with each other.

    I never rush into anything.  If the host goes through the boss gate and escapes, so be it.  I'm interested in the fighters, not the runners.  I try to ease into the fight, test the skill level, recognize armor and weapons, and determine what type of spells are going to be cast.  Of course number one on the list is how many am I facing.  You see two, but the third could be waiting in ambush if you fail to check for him.

    Of course there are also those who just wait at the spawn point and jump you. Even when this happens don't rage, take the time to look and learn everything you can about them before you black out.  You will get another chance at them, so use that information to be better prepared and move your spawn point if you can.

    Last but not least....  learn the area you are hunting in.  Practice the shortcuts, learn the ambush spots, and know the shortest routes to ledges and choke points.  Also where the mobs are, how strong they are, and how they attack.
    avatar
    Tolvo
    Town Crier
    Town Crier

    Posts : 13287
    Reputation : 542
    Join date : 2012-02-01
    Age : 25
    Location : The Forest, Illinois

    Re: How to Even the Odds

    Post by Tolvo on Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:09 pm

    By the way, if people wish to do some Anti-Ganker builds they can, but I'll likely only add ones that are designed all around being effective and no being stylistic.
    avatar
    Emergence
    Sovereign
    Sovereign

    Posts : 4226
    Reputation : 579
    Join date : 2012-01-16
    Age : 103
    Location : Jupiter

    Re: How to Even the Odds

    Post by Emergence on Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:28 pm

    This reminds me of the Glory of Alvina thread and the clear the forest event.  Good times.


    _________________
    This Forum is a bonfire.  Thank you all for kindling it.  

    Please help the community by joining both wikis and Fextralife!

    Forum Guidelines / Resource Guides / Dark Souls Wiki / Dark Souls 2 Wiki / Wiki Live Chat

    Fextralife / Wiki Twitch / Emergence Twitch / Wiki Fight Club / The Pantheon
    avatar
    Sentiel
    Compulsory Poster
    Compulsory Poster

    Posts : 3181
    Reputation : 231
    Join date : 2012-11-26
    Age : 29
    Location : Mushroom Kingdom

    Re: How to Even the Odds

    Post by Sentiel on Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:36 pm

    Tolvo wrote:By the way, if people wish to do some Anti-Ganker builds they can, but I'll likely only add ones that are designed all around being effective and no being stylistic.
    Anti gank Faith build for you.
    http://mmdks.com/2rrv

    avatar
    Tolvo
    Town Crier
    Town Crier

    Posts : 13287
    Reputation : 542
    Join date : 2012-02-01
    Age : 25
    Location : The Forest, Illinois

    Re: How to Even the Odds

    Post by Tolvo on Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:38 pm

    Definitely good times Emergence, I just hope I won't lose too much of my mind working on this.  Looking at the magic section, you can probably tell I've signed up for more than I bargained for.
    avatar
    Djem
    Obsessed
    Obsessed

    Posts : 581
    Reputation : 20
    Join date : 2012-12-08
    Location : Anatolia, Land of the Rising Sun

    Re: How to Even the Odds

    Post by Djem on Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:43 pm

    I never gank at level 120, when the build I'm making is done leveling up. I sometimes gank before that though, but I do it in Darkroot Forest as a non-Forest Hunter. So 3v1 is not an option, and mostly I get 2v2 fights, which is a lot of fun.

    Also as a person who gets ganked a lot, here is the best advice I can give: If you invade gankers in Darkroot Forest, run to the giant mushrooms. Most people overestimate their own power, and underestimate the power of the giant mushrooms. They get hit for 650 damage and get knocked back. Proceed to backstab them as they get up.
    avatar
    Tolvo
    Town Crier
    Town Crier

    Posts : 13287
    Reputation : 542
    Join date : 2012-02-01
    Age : 25
    Location : The Forest, Illinois

    Re: How to Even the Odds

    Post by Tolvo on Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:51 pm

    Sent that is a pretty powerful gimmick build, though the Crown of Dusk actually boosts Miracles too.  Alright I'll likely be working on it again later.
    avatar
    Acarnatia
    Caffeinated
    Caffeinated

    Posts : 979
    Reputation : 59
    Join date : 2012-10-02
    Age : 24
    Location : Between the Dark and Light

    Re: How to Even the Odds

    Post by Acarnatia on Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:52 pm

    I sometimes do. There's a list of nasty things I don't do even then, though.
    1: chainstab. wake-up attacks are fair game
    2: no twop
    3: I usually minimize any environmental advantages I have unless the player is a maxed out caster, being nasty beyond antigriefing/antiganking, and pursuers. I will Force people off of ledges.


    _________________
    I am him who seeks himself;
    Fallen Heaven's malice was I born to bear.
    A phantom-ghost treading upon the mists of Heaven,
    Malevolence or Heaven am I?
    I am the absolute devoted,
    The wraith.

    PSN: Enaid_Waleis (main), Try-chu
    avatar
    skarekrow13
    Chat Moderator

    Posts : 10236
    Reputation : 410
    Join date : 2012-01-27
    Location : Ralph Wilson Stadium

    Re: How to Even the Odds

    Post by skarekrow13 on Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:53 pm

    My favorite non tree mob in Darkroot is actually the Rolly Cats.  It's surprising how many hosts forget to clear them.  You end up with a perfect arena, with clear sight lines to entry ways and a hell of a backup cast.  If you're hosting there looking for an honorable fight, I also recommend that arena.  It's very obvious you're not ganking for the most part if an invader finds you there.


    Should answer the poll.  I ganked individuals once.  Currently I am more than willing to use mobs and NPCs in the forest to gank the gankers (yeah, I'm still ganking).

    avatar
    Sentiel
    Compulsory Poster
    Compulsory Poster

    Posts : 3181
    Reputation : 231
    Join date : 2012-11-26
    Age : 29
    Location : Mushroom Kingdom

    Re: How to Even the Odds

    Post by Sentiel on Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:18 pm

    Tolvo wrote:Sent that is a pretty powerful gimmick build, though the Crown of Dusk actually boosts Miracles too.  Alright I'll likely be working on it again later.
    The build is all about WoG and getting max out of it.
    you can use SLB if you want. The damage won't be top notch, but it can make gankers be wary of you. They don't know you have base Str/Dex.
    One thing though. It's a suicide build. If used to it's max, it requires both RTSR and PW, so you'll have a short window of opportunity to one shot gankers with OP WoG and then you die.

    Yukas is using a similar build in this video.
    He has less Stamina, but more HP, the rest is probably the same.
    Observe the damage.

    avatar
    IIdoneus
    Addicted
    Addicted

    Posts : 252
    Reputation : 3
    Join date : 2012-12-09
    Location : Here but there. In all places, yet only a few locations.

    Re: How to Even the Odds

    Post by IIdoneus on Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:23 pm

    There should be a "Yes, but only in Darkroot Wood because 90% of the people there are the scum of humanity" option for th voting.


    _________________
    "Atlas was permitted the opinion that he was at liberty, if he wished, to drop the Earth and creep away; but this opinion was all that he was permitted." ~ Franz Kafka



    PSN: IIdoneus

    Animaaal
    Compulsory Poster
    Compulsory Poster

    Posts : 3419
    Reputation : 175
    Join date : 2013-01-17

    Re: How to Even the Odds

    Post by Animaaal on Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:31 pm

    Man...lol...me and my wife are laughing.  See we've been playing a lot of Mario Kart Wii, and well...

    Mario says:
    laughing Everybody dead haha laughing

    Thanks for the laugh Sentiel.  I bet that dude is a lot of fun to play with.biggrin

    Sponsored content

    Re: How to Even the Odds

    Post by Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:52 am