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    how to influence CT and WT?

    Post by Micha369 on Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:36 pm

    Hello folks,

    how can I modify the char tendency and the world tendency?
    At the moment my char is looking darker and darker and I don't know what does this?

    Does it help to help others as a blue phantom to get more bright? Or what about pvp? When I kill an enemy as a black phantom? Or when I get killed as a BP?

    many thanks for your help!

    Best wishes.
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    Re: how to influence CT and WT?

    Post by ublug on Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:57 pm

    When you kill black phantom invaders, or the special black phantom npcs, your character tendency will turn white.
    When you invade other players and kill them, or kill innocent npcs, your character tendency will turn black.

    When you kill bosses (in your own world), or special black phantom npcs and primeval demons, your world tendency will turn white for that world.
    When you die in human form, or kill special npcs, your world tendency will turn black for that world.

    http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/character-tendency
    http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/world-tendency

    You shouldn't worry too much about tendency if you are still on the first playthrough.
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    Re: how to influence CT and WT?

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:59 pm

    Those wikidot pages are not entirely accurate, though they're a good rough guide.  I have a better one, I'll post it when I get home.

    Boop: http://web.archive.org/web/20120415081814/http://www.atlus.com/mediawiki/index.php/Tendency


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    Re: how to influence CT and WT?

    Post by Walter_White on Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:12 am

    Hmm, i think both are wrong. but wikidot is closer.
    with my new toon i killed:
    bp rydell
    bp miranda
    2 invader
    the 2 invader where the last kills and i saw no difference in CT between the 1st and the 2nd (had no item to verify) and i got my friends Ring.
    both don't explain this, i should need more kills.
    in my experience killing invader brings a lot more towards white CT


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    Re: how to influence CT and WT?

    Post by Reaperfan on Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:45 am

    How to affect world tendency:

    Killing a boss (+1)
    Killing a Primeval Demon (+3)
    Killing a Black Phantom NPC or Invader (+2)
    Dying in Body Form (-1)
    Killing a Body Form NPC (-3)

    How to affect Character Tendency:

    Being summoned as a Blue Phantom and surviving until the defeat of the boss (+1)
    Killing a Black Phantom NPC or Invader (+1)
    Killing a Body Form NPC (-1)*
    Killing a Body Form player while invading as a Black Phantom (-1)

    *Executioner Miralda is an exception, killing her Body Form will not lower CT


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    Re: how to influence CT and WT?

    Post by Walter_White on Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:12 am

    yeah i did some co-op and killed bosses in another world - that might explain my experience to achieve pwct so fast. well don't mind so i can go faster for foes ring twisted


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    Re: how to influence CT and WT?

    Post by twigsterxd on Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:11 am

    Walter_Whiteyeah i did some co-op and killed bosses in another world - that might explain my experience to achieve pwct so fast. well don't mind so i can go faster for foes ring wrote:Walter, since you killed 2 invaders your ct is whiter than mine. Once we finish your world 3 my ct should be finished. The only thing I don't like is when you have pwwt, log of to go to bed and next day you're neutral lol. Can't leave ps3 on all nite, it's not good for it
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    Re: how to influence CT and WT?

    Post by Walter_White on Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:50 pm

    in most cases it's 1 under pwwt online. remeber, i got pwwt in 3 only by killing 3-1 boss.
    we should do my manaeter and then yours to get you the Old Monk fight win. I did 4-1 and leveled to 41.
    But after i let you win once, we do real duels until i beat you!


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    Re: how to influence CT and WT?

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:16 pm

    Walter_White wrote:Hmm, i think both are wrong. but wikidot is closer.
    with my new toon i killed:
    bp rydell
    bp miranda
    2 invader
    the 2 invader where the last kills and i saw no difference in CT between the 1st and the 2nd (had no item to verify) and i got my friends Ring.
    both don't explain this, i should need more kills.
    in my experience killing invader brings a lot more towards white CT
    I am not sure why you think the archive is wrong.

    BP Rydell +20%.
    BP Miralda +20%.
    Invaders, +40% each.

    20+20+40+40 = 120.  More than enough to reach PWCT.

    If killing the invaders didn't shift your CT, then it means you already had PWCT.  It is also possible that you just didn't notice the difference between +80% and +100% CT.  I do not think killing bosses as a blue phantom affects your CT, but if you kill a boss with phantoms in your world you should get +5% CT per phantom.


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    Re: how to influence CT and WT?

    Post by Walter_White on Mon Jun 17, 2013 4:39 pm

    But i saw always a change of 20% (killing one of the special named bp npcs) AND i can confirm, that if one of those die from environment (Scivir tends to suicide jump) there is no CT change.

    So, i saw no difference and the last invader i haven't killed, i was with summon before boss-fog in 4-1 when he invaded, i couldn't find him before he fell of a cliff, or ran in one of the traps (it wans't a deleveling invasion, then he would have suicided faster...).
    The blue one i lost in the bossfight, the 3-1 boss i did with one summon, killed two special bp npcs, one invader and the suicide invader, thats it.

    So:
    bp rydell and miranda: 20% + 20% = 40% (i saw them both in the menu)
    one phantom revived: 5% (can't see that, i doubt if demonbrand or other item shows that - hard to proof)
    one invader 40% (u are blind if you don't see that change, don't know if 40% but a huge change)

    we are at 85% and then the suicide invader came. I think i would see the 15% difference, but i could be wrong.
    I claim the 2nd invader did nothing to my CT, because he suicided.

    EDIT:
    oh i did 2-1 with one summon, that would be the missing 5%.....very strange, never noticed those little changes, but thats kind of a proof for the 5% and that u don't need 100% and 90% is enough.


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