What are your thoughts on being able to warp between fires right away?

    Share
    avatar
    Back Lot Basher
    Caffeinated
    Caffeinated

    Posts : 984
    Reputation : 34
    Join date : 2012-01-18
    Location : Canada

    What are your thoughts on being able to warp between fires right away?

    Post by Back Lot Basher on Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:36 pm

    I was reading through a hands-on preview this morning, and one of the concerns the writer had was that players can now warp between fires right from the start of the game.  Not being able to do this in Dark Souls sort of compelled you to get to know the areas well.  Think this new feature is a good thing, or a bad thing?

    Here's the link:

    http://www.edge-online.com/features/e3-2013-dark-souls-ii-hands-on-impressions-and-new-details-on-fromsoftwares-sequel/
    avatar
    eminusx
    Obsessed
    Obsessed

    Posts : 379
    Reputation : 24
    Join date : 2012-03-07
    Age : 38
    Location : Untidied Kingdom

    Re: What are your thoughts on being able to warp between fires right away?

    Post by eminusx on Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:48 pm

    i'm a wanderer, not a warper, so im gonna keep on wandering until I run out of options


    _________________
    XBL: eminusx
    PSN: eminusx78

    dont open the gates, who the hell needs a wooden horse that size!!!


    Last Be-ta, I gave you my souls, but the very next game, you took them away!!
    This year, to save me from fear, im levelling my Zwei-hander!! WHAM!!!
    avatar
    exod FEAR
    Addicted
    Addicted

    Posts : 165
    Reputation : 5
    Join date : 2012-05-03
    Location : Montreal

    Re: What are your thoughts on being able to warp between fires right away?

    Post by exod FEAR on Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:08 pm

    no one's forcing you to use the warp. Those who use it exclusively may miss out on things, it's their choice to make, and their loss to accept.
    I for one will only warp once I know for certain I've explored every inch between areas.
    An example, on a second or third or etc playthrough I would like to warp right away so I can make my builds faster without needing to work towards the ability to warp. It's a nice little time saver, and as for those who abuse it... their loss.

    I stand by this decision.


    _________________
    If you havin' PvP problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a Wraith ain't one.
    Jay-Z

    Kaathe rules everything around me, K.R.E.A.M! get humanity, gotta get the sprites y'all.
    Wu-Tang Clan

    XBL: exod FEAR
    avatar
    Dibsville
    Abyss Dweller
    Abyss Dweller

    Posts : 9377
    Reputation : 134
    Join date : 2013-03-09
    Age : 20
    Location : Gensōkyō

    Re: What are your thoughts on being able to warp between fires right away?

    Post by Dibsville on Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:35 pm

    Never use the warp feature.

    Roll everywhere.


    _________________
    PSN: Dibsville
    The Exiled of Ariamis; join the cause!
    EarthScraper wrote:OK, now I've just learnt that you never mess with Dibs on a Dark Souls topic, cause he will put you down.
    avatar
    crbngville2
    Obsessed
    Obsessed

    Posts : 310
    Reputation : 8
    Join date : 2013-01-08
    Age : 46
    Location : West of the Void, Xanth

    Re: What are your thoughts on being able to warp between fires right away?

    Post by crbngville2 on Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:20 pm

    Hey Backlot,

    Good to see an old friend from the Demon's Souls Playstation Boards! As far as the warping right away, meh. Wil have to wait and see how it works out.


    _________________
    FTW Fury Sword Hoody Ninja Biatch - SL 126 Dual Wield Dex Toon
    PSN: crbngville
    Member of both the DeS and DkS Platinum Cookie Clubs!
    avatar
    Dibsville
    Abyss Dweller
    Abyss Dweller

    Posts : 9377
    Reputation : 134
    Join date : 2013-03-09
    Age : 20
    Location : Gensōkyō

    Re: What are your thoughts on being able to warp between fires right away?

    Post by Dibsville on Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:26 pm



    _________________
    PSN: Dibsville
    The Exiled of Ariamis; join the cause!
    EarthScraper wrote:OK, now I've just learnt that you never mess with Dibs on a Dark Souls topic, cause he will put you down.
    avatar
    Myztyrio
    Insomniac
    Insomniac

    Posts : 1223
    Reputation : 44
    Join date : 2012-07-29
    Age : 22
    Location : Milliontown

    Re: What are your thoughts on being able to warp between fires right away?

    Post by Myztyrio on Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:32 pm

    I'll probably be exploring every crevice regardless. I want to know all the ins and outs as well, if not better, than I do DkS.


    _________________
    PSN: Myztyrio
    Sub: AzureArmageddon




    avatar
    eminusx
    Obsessed
    Obsessed

    Posts : 379
    Reputation : 24
    Join date : 2012-03-07
    Age : 38
    Location : Untidied Kingdom

    Re: What are your thoughts on being able to warp between fires right away?

    Post by eminusx on Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:35 pm

    I probably sounded like a bit of a tw@ in my first post, unintentionally, but I cant see why you wouldnt want to explore everywhere and find your way around the world on foot, at least for the first few playthroughs.

    Admittedly, after youve cleared it numerous times it might come in handy, but i think randomly warping between areas simply detaches you from the sense that youre on a journey.


    _________________
    XBL: eminusx
    PSN: eminusx78

    dont open the gates, who the hell needs a wooden horse that size!!!


    Last Be-ta, I gave you my souls, but the very next game, you took them away!!
    This year, to save me from fear, im levelling my Zwei-hander!! WHAM!!!
    avatar
    Soris Ice Goldwing
    Lordvessel
    Lordvessel

    Posts : 7540
    Reputation : 74
    Join date : 2012-12-07
    Age : 22
    Location : Here, there, nowhere

    Re: What are your thoughts on being able to warp between fires right away?

    Post by Soris Ice Goldwing on Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:36 pm

    It would not matter to me. I will go through every nook and cranny of the game like I always do. The warping will just be to travel back and forth for PvP and if I miss something.


    _________________
    avatar
    eminusx
    Obsessed
    Obsessed

    Posts : 379
    Reputation : 24
    Join date : 2012-03-07
    Age : 38
    Location : Untidied Kingdom

    Re: What are your thoughts on being able to warp between fires right away?

    Post by eminusx on Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:59 pm

    I think the warping feature will stay as it seems like a fairly obvious way to increase the games accessibility, i just hope it isnt forced upon us.


    _________________
    XBL: eminusx
    PSN: eminusx78

    dont open the gates, who the hell needs a wooden horse that size!!!


    Last Be-ta, I gave you my souls, but the very next game, you took them away!!
    This year, to save me from fear, im levelling my Zwei-hander!! WHAM!!!
    avatar
    Soris Ice Goldwing
    Lordvessel
    Lordvessel

    Posts : 7540
    Reputation : 74
    Join date : 2012-12-07
    Age : 22
    Location : Here, there, nowhere

    Re: What are your thoughts on being able to warp between fires right away?

    Post by Soris Ice Goldwing on Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:00 pm

    Nah if anything we will have to find something to warp with and still find the bonfire first.


    _________________
    avatar
    Serious_Much
    Moderator Trainee
    Moderator Trainee

    Posts : 14641
    Reputation : 287
    Join date : 2012-01-17
    Age : 25
    Location : The Dark Side of the Moon

    Re: What are your thoughts on being able to warp between fires right away?

    Post by Serious_Much on Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:07 pm

    Warping you have to remember is only between bonfires you've been to, and only a certain number.

    Even with warping, people naturally will explore areas first, then once they know the area and have got lazy then they'll use the warping feature


    _________________
    PSN and other stuff:
    PSN: HolyPK9 "You are free to sever the chains of fate that bind you"

    Sage Andarta, Founder of the Crystal Seekers; The Noble Knights

    Principal GremSay of the Karmatic Gremlin Gang

    Moderator of the Wiki Chatroom- Come join the fun  cheers

    PRAISE. THE. SUN. lol!
    avatar
    Forum Pirate
    Chosen Undead
    Chosen Undead

    Posts : 6625
    Reputation : 232
    Join date : 2012-01-30
    Age : 26
    Location : International waters

    Re: What are your thoughts on being able to warp between fires right away?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:08 pm

    exod FEAR wrote:no one's forcing you to use the warp. Those who use it exclusively may miss out on things, it's their choice to make, and their loss to accept.
    I for one will only warp once I know for certain I've explored every inch between areas.
    An example, on a second or third or etc playthrough I would like to warp right away so I can make my builds faster without needing to work towards the ability to warp. It's a nice little time saver, and as for those who abuse it... their loss.

    I stand by this decision.

    Thats a terrible arguement. What is available affects the atmosphere, and choosing to walk everywhere and being forced to walk everywhere provide different experiences. Having that fallback cheapens the journey, wether its used or not.


    _________________
    Your rules are yours
    My honor is mine.
    Perspective is everything.
    We are Exiles, and our home is Painted with the blood of trespassers.
    avatar
    eminusx
    Obsessed
    Obsessed

    Posts : 379
    Reputation : 24
    Join date : 2012-03-07
    Age : 38
    Location : Untidied Kingdom

    Re: What are your thoughts on being able to warp between fires right away?

    Post by eminusx on Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:25 pm

    Serious_Much wrote:Warping you have to remember is only between bonfires you've been to, and only a certain number.




    hmm, dunno, its pure speculation but I think they might open up a decent number of areas quite early on in an attempt to make it more accessible. A lot of players quit because they couldnt get past a certain point so giving them an option to try somewhere else keeps them in the game longer.

    If that is the case then I think its a real shame, the fun and the sense of achievement is in exploring and getting over the obstacles put in front of you, and like forum said it affects the atmosphere and experience hugely, but hopefully we can just bypass the warping option if thats the case.


    _________________
    XBL: eminusx
    PSN: eminusx78

    dont open the gates, who the hell needs a wooden horse that size!!!


    Last Be-ta, I gave you my souls, but the very next game, you took them away!!
    This year, to save me from fear, im levelling my Zwei-hander!! WHAM!!!
    avatar
    exod FEAR
    Addicted
    Addicted

    Posts : 165
    Reputation : 5
    Join date : 2012-05-03
    Location : Montreal

    Re: What are your thoughts on being able to warp between fires right away?

    Post by exod FEAR on Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:34 pm

    Forum Pirate wrote:
    exod FEAR wrote:no one's forcing you to use the warp. Those who use it exclusively may miss out on things, it's their choice to make, and their loss to accept.
    I for one will only warp once I know for certain I've explored every inch between areas.
    An example, on a second or third or etc playthrough I would like to warp right away so I can make my builds faster without needing to work towards the ability to warp. It's a nice little time saver, and as for those who abuse it... their loss.

    I stand by this decision.





    Thats a terrible arguement. What is available affects the atmosphere, and choosing to walk everywhere and being forced to walk everywhere provide different experiences. Having that fallback cheapens the journey, wether its used or not.




    "You can warp between bonfires from the very beginning of the game – as long as you’ve already visited them, of course."




    you still have to walk everywhere... it just speeds up the process once you've already done it. As in, you don't need to pick up the lordvessel (equivalent) before you can warp.
    I mean, do you avoid getting the lordvessel for as long as possible to avoid "cheapen"ing the experience?


    _________________
    If you havin' PvP problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a Wraith ain't one.
    Jay-Z

    Kaathe rules everything around me, K.R.E.A.M! get humanity, gotta get the sprites y'all.
    Wu-Tang Clan

    XBL: exod FEAR
    avatar
    Forum Pirate
    Chosen Undead
    Chosen Undead

    Posts : 6625
    Reputation : 232
    Join date : 2012-01-30
    Age : 26
    Location : International waters

    Re: What are your thoughts on being able to warp between fires right away?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:42 pm

    The lord vessel is only to specific bonfires (which are spaced fairly far appart except in anor londo), and its not available untill halfway through the game. There is still a lot of tracking and backtracking to be done to get anywhere or do anything even once you have it, for example sens, the depths (i think), blight town, new londo and the forest are all devoid of warp fires untill the boss falls, meaning you have to walk through the whole thing every time you want to do anything there before then and most of the time you want to find a merchant or farm after that.

     unless 2 is 3 times the size of 1 with the same number of bonfires, then it will have essentially the same problem as fast travel does in skyrim in that it trivialises the size of the world and undermines the need to know it well to get anywhere, because once you've found it you can just teleport there and back.


    _________________
    Your rules are yours
    My honor is mine.
    Perspective is everything.
    We are Exiles, and our home is Painted with the blood of trespassers.
    avatar
    twigsterxd
    Caffeinated
    Caffeinated

    Posts : 985
    Reputation : 31
    Join date : 2013-04-22

    Re: What are your thoughts on being able to warp between fires right away?

    Post by twigsterxd on Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:08 pm

    You can warp between bonfires from the very beginning of the game – as long as you’ve already visited them, of course.

    I like this concept because, I look at pve. If you are doing a run with friends, or you wanna phantom, it's a faster way of getting back to start of last level and your buddy doesn't have to sit there scratching himself waiting for you to walk all the way back.
    Also, let's look at it from DkS perspective. How many of you have made it to anor, wishing you could upgrade your +5 weapon to a +10 but didn't have the ores at the right time. This way you warp back to blk smith, then back to anor to use your new +10 to defeat O&S


    _________________
    Announcement:
    Support the Dark Souls Wiki:

    Visit http://fextralife.com

    subscribe, have fun, keep the site going
    avatar
    Forum Pirate
    Chosen Undead
    Chosen Undead

    Posts : 6625
    Reputation : 232
    Join date : 2012-01-30
    Age : 26
    Location : International waters

    Re: What are your thoughts on being able to warp between fires right away?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:11 pm

    Exactly, it undermines the significance of the choice of when, and if, you should move on to an area you may not yet be prepared for.


    _________________
    Your rules are yours
    My honor is mine.
    Perspective is everything.
    We are Exiles, and our home is Painted with the blood of trespassers.
    avatar
    eminusx
    Obsessed
    Obsessed

    Posts : 379
    Reputation : 24
    Join date : 2012-03-07
    Age : 38
    Location : Untidied Kingdom

    Re: What are your thoughts on being able to warp between fires right away?

    Post by eminusx on Thu Jun 13, 2013 6:21 pm

    twigsterxd wrote:If you are doing a run with friends, or you wanna phantom, it's a faster way of getting back to start of last level and your buddy doesn't have to sit there scratching himself waiting for you to walk all the way back.
    Also, let's look at it from DkS perspective. How many of you have made it to anor, wishing you could upgrade your +5 weapon to a +10 but didn't have the ores at the right time. This way you warp back to blk smith, then back to anor to use your new +10 to defeat O&S

    this is more of a list of reasons NOT to open the game up early on. . .

    there arent any hard and fast rules, but the first playthrough should be raw, lonely and hard work and the atmosphere should be untouched. . . anything that makes the game easier simply detracts from the core mechanism that makes DS such a piece of work. .


    _________________
    XBL: eminusx
    PSN: eminusx78

    dont open the gates, who the hell needs a wooden horse that size!!!


    Last Be-ta, I gave you my souls, but the very next game, you took them away!!
    This year, to save me from fear, im levelling my Zwei-hander!! WHAM!!!
    avatar
    twigsterxd
    Caffeinated
    Caffeinated

    Posts : 985
    Reputation : 31
    Join date : 2013-04-22

    Re: What are your thoughts on being able to warp between fires right away?

    Post by twigsterxd on Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:42 pm

    eminusx can you explain how? The only difference between this and the warping we have now is, you can warp earlier. You can't start a new game and go warping. You have to light the bf first.
    After watching a vid posted bout the 4 builds in DkS2, I saw wut looked like guy climbing down a ladder and jumping off as if ladder was too short. If that's the case, i'd rather want to warp back if there's no way of back tracking through that area. Giving us the option of warping early does not make the game easier. How is it easier if you killed the boss and you walk all the way back to beginning not fighting anything because you already killed everything. No difference other than a waste of time imo.


    _________________
    Announcement:
    Support the Dark Souls Wiki:

    Visit http://fextralife.com

    subscribe, have fun, keep the site going
    avatar
    RandomAttractor

    Posts : 12
    Reputation : 2
    Join date : 2013-06-12
    Age : 40
    Location : Location, Location!

    Re: What are your thoughts on being able to warp between fires right away?

    Post by RandomAttractor on Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:46 pm

    My opinion is that it will not affect the gameplay negatively. Yui Tanimura said it can only be done after finding the bonfires.. Even if some bonfires are lit from the start, it is nothing new to the soul series, which always presented the player with different routes from the get go. Don't forget the demon's souls ''format'' which is kind of similar except you can walk from the Nexus to, say, the shrine of storms..

    Also important, with warping comes respawning..


    _________________
    Avid gamer, Souls series fan. Supporter of the flipping Havel movement..


    avatar
    twigsterxd
    Caffeinated
    Caffeinated

    Posts : 985
    Reputation : 31
    Join date : 2013-04-22

    Re: What are your thoughts on being able to warp between fires right away?

    Post by twigsterxd on Thu Jun 13, 2013 7:55 pm

    RandomAttractorMy opinion is that it will not affect the gameplay negatively. Yui Tanimura said it can only be done after finding the bonfires.. Even if some bonfires are lit from the start, it is nothing new to the soul series, which always presented the player with different routes from the get go. Don't forget the demon's souls ''format'' which is kind of similar except you can walk from the Nexus to, say, the shrine of storms.. wrote:Also important, with warping comes respawning..I'll give you you're first +1. exactly wut I meant but worded better happy
    avatar
    Sargerus
    Addicted
    Addicted

    Posts : 113
    Reputation : 25
    Join date : 2012-12-19
    Age : 27
    Location : Brazil

    Re: What are your thoughts on being able to warp between fires right away?

    Post by Sargerus on Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:13 pm

    RandomAttractor wrote:Also important, with warping comes respawning..
    +1 some people are seem to forgeting this
    avatar
    RandomAttractor

    Posts : 12
    Reputation : 2
    Join date : 2013-06-12
    Age : 40
    Location : Location, Location!

    Re: What are your thoughts on being able to warp between fires right away?

    Post by RandomAttractor on Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:20 pm

    twigsterxd wrote:
    RandomAttractorMy opinion is that it will not affect the gameplay negatively. Yui Tanimura said it can only be done after finding the bonfires.. Even if some bonfires are lit from the start, it is nothing new to the soul series, which always presented the player with different routes from the get go. Don't forget the demon's souls ''format'' which is kind of similar except you can walk from the Nexus to, say, the shrine of storms.. wrote:Also important, with warping comes respawning..I'll give you you're first +1. exactly wut I meant but worded better happy






     Thanks for the rep!! I'm going places lol
     I agree with you except for the fact that I rather enjoy falling into the rabbit hole with the only backtracking options being either a long and strenuous fight or death.. That's why I'm very curious as to how the homeward bone mechanic will come into play..


    _________________
    Avid gamer, Souls series fan. Supporter of the flipping Havel movement..


    avatar
    twigsterxd
    Caffeinated
    Caffeinated

    Posts : 985
    Reputation : 31
    Join date : 2013-04-22

    Re: What are your thoughts on being able to warp between fires right away?

    Post by twigsterxd on Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:52 pm

    Now that you said that, it's no different than using homebone except you use bonfires instead


    _________________
    Announcement:
    Support the Dark Souls Wiki:

    Visit http://fextralife.com

    subscribe, have fun, keep the site going

    Sponsored content

    Re: What are your thoughts on being able to warp between fires right away?

    Post by Sponsored content


      Current date/time is Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:06 pm