Super Ornstein is Smough possessing Ornstein's body?

Eko wrote:I didn't think about it in those terms. Reason two definitely fits within the lore and sounds very plausible. It sort of makes Ornstein and Smough sound like Goku.

The only problem I have with it is that there is no way to level up aside from using the bonfires. I know it is a really technical gripe. That's why it still seems more possible for him to have absorbed Smough's powers, thus draining his soul.

Sock wrote:It's true as a player you can only level up at a bonfire but that doesn't exactly prove that bonfires are essential for leveling up.

As I said before, if you level up by taking souls and absorbing them into your own, making yourself stronger, then the bonfire doesn't have anything to do with it. And really, when you Do level up, in difference with kindling or reversing humanity, there is no interaction with the bonfire.

Instead, it is treated like repairing gear or reinforcing it. You simply get your leveling up done and that's it. Personally I like to think that the reason you level up at bonfires is because that when sitting by one, it's the only opportunity for your character to rest, take care of his gear, and improve on himself. Everywhere else he's in constant danger of getting attacked (Lore-wise, even though you can stand still in-game after killing the nearest enemies without worry).

However Ornstein, seeing Smough die, or Smough seeing Ornstein getting beaten to a pulp, gets backed into a corner and takes a large risk and grabs the other's soul, breaks it down, and 'levels up' with it (The same kind of risk you put yourself in whenever you drink an Estus flask or pop a humanity while having enemies attacking you).

And for gameplay purposes, our character either doesn't react in time, or simply lets the boss 'level up'.

Sunbroski wrote:Of course the Chosen Undead let them, he/she's a badass.


1. I agree with you
2. How do I write outside someone's quote when quoting? >.>

Sock wrote:

Sunbroski wrote:Of course the Chosen Undead let them, he/she's a badass.

1. I agree with you
2. How do I write outside someone's quote when quoting? >.>

Sock wrote:It's true as a player you can only level up at a bonfire but that doesn't exactly prove that bonfires are essential for leveling up.

As I said before, if you level up by taking souls and absorbing them into your own, making yourself stronger, then the bonfire doesn't have anything to do with it. And really, when you Do level up, in difference with kindling or reversing humanity, there is no interaction with the bonfire.

Instead, it is treated like repairing gear or reinforcing it. You simply get your leveling up done and that's it. Personally I like to think that the reason you level up at bonfires is because that when sitting by one, it's the only opportunity for your character to rest, take care of his gear, and improve on himself. Everywhere else he's in constant danger of getting attacked (Lore-wise, even though you can stand still in-game after killing the nearest enemies without worry).

However Ornstein, seeing Smough die, or Smough seeing Ornstein getting beaten to a pulp, gets backed into a corner and takes a large risk and grabs the other's soul, breaks it down, and 'levels up' with it (The same kind of risk you put yourself in whenever you drink an Estus flask or pop a humanity while having enemies attacking you).

And for gameplay purposes, our character either doesn't react in time, or simply lets the boss 'level up'.

Marionx wrote:That's an interesting idea with Smough possessing Ornstein's body after he dies. I have fought Giant Ornstein many times and noticed every now and then, he laughs like Smough, when he's doing the butt slam.

Sometimes I find that Giant Ornstein picked up on a couple of Smough's traits in battle. Giant O. tends to be really aggressive at mid and far range, but timid and jumpy at really close range (which I find with Smough). Maybe it's a gameplay mechanic, but I don't know. To me, Smough seems to be the kind of character that would always want to take advantage of others. He always wanted to be ranked with the 4 knights of Gwyn, but his chance was ruined when he started eating people's remains and got fat. Why join them when you can take one of their bodies for yourself?