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    Speculation numero uno

    Post by mr_no_face on Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:17 pm

    the sorcerer class that was being played shot a giant fireball out of his catalyst ... is pyromancy no more? have they merged back or is that a special catalyst?? also THAT BADA$$ SLASHY BLADE OF MAGIC


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    Re: Speculation numero uno

    Post by SlothAlmighty on Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:41 pm

    hard to say since it was just a demo with pre-made characters.  

    I dont think its likely that they completely ignore previous lore, but then again, its a whole new setting on the opposite side of the world from lordran, so it may have its very own lore with little to no connection with DS1
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    Re: Speculation numero uno

    Post by Phoenix Rising on Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:44 pm

    It appears that they have done away with the pyro glove. And brought back ninja-flipping.


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    Re: Speculation numero uno

    Post by Animaaal on Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:44 pm

    I've seen / heard too many things to concentrate... surprised

    I'm gonna speculate that it's gonna be <3!!! cheers
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    Re: Speculation numero uno

    Post by SlothAlmighty on Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:26 pm

    being that its just a demo, they may have temporarily combined them for the sake of smooth game play.  If they do indeed decide to combine them, I'm sure there will be appropriate lore explain the change.
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    Re: Speculation numero uno

    Post by Myztyrio on Fri Jun 21, 2013 6:30 pm

    Pyromancies also had a relation to intelligence in DkS, so it is likely that they will merge.


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    Re: Speculation numero uno

    Post by Animaaal on Fri Jun 21, 2013 7:07 pm

    If you read the description of the Izalith Catalyst, it states something about being used for sorceries before the witches fully submitted to pyromancy.

    I was wondering this today actually as I got it from Lost Izalith and wondered why a Daughter of Chaos would drop one.

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    Re: Speculation numero uno

    Post by Akuro on Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:48 am

    Definitely makes sense with the whole catalyst description...

    If gloves do take a well due rest, then I know what class I'm playing as. 


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    Re: Speculation numero uno

    Post by Eko on Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:13 am

    No reason to assume they just temporarily combined them for smooth gameplay in my opinion. I have always been confused why pyromancies were separate from sorceries as they both had relations to intelligence. I kind of hope they combine the two and just make pyromancy a part of intelligence/magic builds. I only worry about there being less of both cast types since they would rely on the same stat.


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    Re: Speculation numero uno

    Post by samster628 on Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:25 am

    If the rumors are true about a prequel then yes the fireball is almost certainly the lost fire sorcery's. Pyromancy was created from fire sorcery's being warped by chaos so this would mean pyromancys are no more (is it just me or did the catalyst used for that spell look like the Isilith catalyst?). Perhaps you cannot cast soul and fire sorcery's from the same catalyst and perhaps you can.


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    Re: Speculation numero uno

    Post by jewfrozack on Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:24 am

    Myztyrio wrote:Pyromancies also had a relation to intelligence in DkS, so it is likely that they will merge.

     Well besides the minor damage scaling from the psychical attack of the glove, Pyro and INT didn't have anything to do with each other, from a lore point of view I never got the impression that they were related either, but I could be wrong.


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    Re: Speculation numero uno

    Post by samster628 on Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:29 am

    Read the isilith and the firsesage catalyst descriptions. They show that fire sorcery used to exist but were lost after the flame of chaos and that pyromancy was created instead. There may be more lore somewhere too but i cant remember.


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    Re: Speculation numero uno

    Post by TheMeInTeam on Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:27 am

    1.  Fire sorcery does not necessarily mean no pyros, but it hurts the odds of pyros
    2.  Fire sorcery does not necessarily implicate a prequel; if the setting involves influences outside of Lordran the sorcery might not have been so "lost", or it may have been rediscovered!  Perhaps the flames of chaos are instead part of the "enemy only" club or otherwise function differently.

    Pyros are a very interesting and important concept in DS and I don't think we'll lose the concept, even if we lose pyros.  The games have consistently presented options that do not scale with stats, and they have been consistently inferior to stat-scaled options while still being viable (allowing more valid tradeoffs to exist).  I don't think From will dump that concept, even if they don't want to tie it to fire spells again.


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    Re: Speculation numero uno

    Post by Hue on Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:26 pm

    What if fire sorcery can only be cast with izalith/demon catalysts? the one in the demo kinda looked like one, only shorter


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