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    Re: EVENT 7/13 - 7/14: Invasions 101: Invasion of the Lowbies

    Post by reim0027 on Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:59 pm

    Drop the Havel's, add on the Wolf's. Don't carry the Chaos Uchi. Just rapid swap it if you need it. Tweak your endurance so you can fast roll. 40 poise is worth a lot when you are being ganged up on.


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    Re: EVENT 7/13 - 7/14: Invasions 101: Invasion of the Lowbies

    Post by twilightwarwolf on Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:51 pm

    Hey reim can you help me later on the kings and Sif? I've tried sif but he keep killing me.


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    Re: EVENT 7/13 - 7/14: Invasions 101: Invasion of the Lowbies

    Post by reim0027 on Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:03 am

    Sure can. I have a SL 6 with a Chaos Falchion that can make short work out of them. I may even be able to go with PW on the kings (assuming you keep healing me), tank it up, and R1 to win.


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    Re: EVENT 7/13 - 7/14: Invasions 101: Invasion of the Lowbies

    Post by twilightwarwolf on Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:59 am

    I need help with Sif also can you help me with that also?


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    Re: EVENT 7/13 - 7/14: Invasions 101: Invasion of the Lowbies

    Post by reim0027 on Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:14 am

    Sure can. Never cooped that fight. Too many invasions in the forest.


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    Re: EVENT 7/13 - 7/14: Invasions 101: Invasion of the Lowbies

    Post by reim0027 on Fri Jun 21, 2013 11:27 pm

    Once I get to 225 in the forest, I'm going to try this build out and see how it works.


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    Re: EVENT 7/13 - 7/14: Invasions 101: Invasion of the Lowbies

    Post by reim0027 on Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:15 am

    So, I got 27 kills in the burg and lower burg with my Reinforced Club/BK build. It is good, but the BK sucks. I swapped it for the ghost blade. Faster, much higher AR, and better crit. If I want bleed, I use the RC. Looks like this build is a go.


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    Re: EVENT 7/13 - 7/14: Invasions 101: Invasion of the Lowbies

    Post by Halicarnassis on Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:37 am

    @Reim: nice work! I've been invading in the Depths and am 14-2 at the moment. Got owned by a claymore wielding theif! Never underestimate that R2 attack. Went right through my heater shield!


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    Re: EVENT 7/13 - 7/14: Invasions 101: Invasion of the Lowbies

    Post by wretchedsausage on Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:29 am

    I've ben doing some invading in the Undead Parish. So far, I'm about 1 win for every 2-3 losses, so not a good ratio, but pretty good for me. Reim, Ghost Blade is very good isn't it, I'm using it as well happy


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    Re: EVENT 7/13 - 7/14: Invasions 101: Invasion of the Lowbies

    Post by reim0027 on Sun Jun 23, 2013 1:54 pm

    I go in streaks. Many times the phantoms have elemental weapons and that tends to mess things up. I actually had someone PM me after a match. He apologized for healing. I told him its all good. I invaded his world, I expected him to use anything possible to stay alive. Not too long later, he sent me a FR and wants to duel later.

    I'm going to go back to the forest and work on my progression - getting 100 kills at SL 225.

    But, if anyone needs help opening up levels, beating bosses (4 Kings for example), lst me know. I have a SL 6 that has everything open (other than the DLC).


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    Re: EVENT 7/13 - 7/14: Invasions 101: Invasion of the Lowbies

    Post by TheMeInTeam on Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:15 am

    I started my build for this yesterday and this will be the final result:

    http://mmdks.com/2v0i

    However, if I happen upon non-lowbies, I will use this instead (and this is how I'll do 4kings):

    http://mmdks.com/2v0l

    After the event is over, I'll probably invade like this sometimes:

    http://mmdks.com/2v0o

    After all, I've always wanted one of these lol.  I forgot to add in the talisman, but it only adds .3 so it's still midroll.  Swapping in hornet's vs gankers sounds fun with the tickstab potential ^_^.
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    Re: EVENT 7/13 - 7/14: Invasions 101: Invasion of the Lowbies

    Post by Halicarnassis on Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:08 pm

    I'm not too keen on giants armour at all but your original build is sweet


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    Re: EVENT 7/13 - 7/14: Invasions 101: Invasion of the Lowbies

    Post by TheMeInTeam on Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:19 pm

    Halicarnassis wrote:I'm not too keen on giants armour at all but your original build is sweet

    I wanted at least 1 @#$%$ build eventually :p.  In this case it's intended only for anti-gank and later invasions in general.  1st build is indeed what this event will see, and it's been optimized to just barely get a 3rd swing at SL 10.

    I'm not 100% sold on the Pike.  It's really heavy (same 10.0 as Zwei) and does much less damage.  The reach is nice though and its stat requirements are the same so I figured I'd give a weapon I rarely touch a whirl.  It's running attack and backstep attack are pretty lulzy.

    Edit: FFS four kings are a quite annoying fight.  I usually beat them with pyros or other suped up weapons + high stats, but that isn't available at SL10 with no attunement slots!

    I tried going in there with full giants +5 but that didn't pan out; I couldn't equip the anti-magic ring w/o dropping RoFaP (a critical part of my ultimate lowbie build since I need the stamina boost for an extra zwei swing).  Even with crest shield +5 and blocking there just isn't enough stamina with 17 endurance and not enough health to tank it.

    Out of options, I spent chunks and slab to upgrade the sen's fortress lightning spear to +5, and swapped into mostly gold-hemmed stuff (fast roll).  FOUR KINGS ARE CHEAP; they hit you without touching you, grab you sideways, and spam a magic attack that really can't be dodged forever because if you do that you take too long to put out DPS.

    Ultimately, I learned that unless they are swinging from the right, you roll left.  I also dropped crest shield for grass crest shield just for stamina regen, and that + 2h lightning spear +5 allowed enough damage output to keep up with their spawns, assuming they didn't get grab/aoe/ranged happy.  Still, won on my 2nd try with that setup.  It would have been an EASY fight if I would have gone to lvl 12 to get power within, but that's breaking the rules :p.

    So now I have all my armor @ +3, my zwei and grass crest @ +5.  I have wolf + rofap intact, so I'm pretty much ready to go for this event.

    I have discovered, however, that lightning spear +5 is not an ideal anti-gank weapon, even in full giants + mask of mother.  I've been toying with adding the giants helmet too + ring of steel protection for those non-lowbie guys, and just using another sweeping stunlock weapon (maybe I'll just go NG+ and get another zwei, taking it up to chaos or something).  It's not like anything left will even be challenging now that I downed the 4 kings.
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    Re: EVENT 7/13 - 7/14: Invasions 101: Invasion of the Lowbies

    Post by Halicarnassis on Wed Jun 26, 2013 1:36 pm

    ^the 4 Kings was a pain the backside for me too. I've done them on 2 builds now and my Dark Solaire build had a Lightning Clay+5 which I can only 2-hand. It was swing, roll back to recover stamina, 1-hand to block with Crest Shield, rush in, 2-hand swing, roll back.. and repeat! I did use DMSeance Ring for an extra spell and had lightning spear which helped to start. I've just done Nito who was a piece of cake! Tomorrow gonna try tackle Izalith. 

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    Re: EVENT 7/13 - 7/14: Invasions 101: Invasion of the Lowbies

    Post by TheMeInTeam on Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:47 pm

    It feels like unless you're rocking havels or the stone greatshield, it's probably best to just roll to dodge all the attacks and forget about blocking.  Blocking eats up a lot of stamina (more than roll), pushes you backwards, and does damage.  All of these things slow you down.

    If not relying on RoFaP I would consider advocating going in there with the anti-magic plate ring and stone (or upgraded Giants) armor and just going nuts on them, tanking everything up close.  That would work great on someone building for SL 55...well in regular NG anyway lol.  GMB would always work if you have enough copies, but again not SL10 friendly!

    At SL 10 , it makes more sense to just put stamina regen on and roll dodge + attack.  Once you get close, rolling left works on everything except the AoE blast and the 2nd swipe in their 2 swipe combo (roll right in that 1 case).  The timing is WAY more forgiving this way and with grass crest, cloranthy, or child mask you can lay into them really hard with light armor and still have stamina.

    The big snag is that garbage slow homing magic attack.  I decided to just keep attacking and tank those.  Anything else takes too much time.

    Izalith is my next target.  I want to be able to pick up a chaos weapon, but more importantly the lightning spear +5 will be solid enough there (not amazing but better than in Seath's area or Nito's, though it can work down there too).  Fire sage is a bit cheap sometimes with the jump back + spam AoE, but nothing too difficult, and centipede is pretty easy to dodge.  Bed of Chaos is an annoying boss; pure fake difficulty (trial and error gameplay), but now that I know that boss fight I've broken it.  It's comically trivial if you go right first, take that out + quit/restart, then go left along the wall.  I have a light crossbow + binoculars and that'll be enough for the left side w/o risking falling off the pits at all, ever, until the final middle charge.  I might die there, but there's a good chance I won't.

    Chaos +5 should get me what I need for the remaining fights; I'll just use the occult club ---> divine +5 in nito's area.  Easy peasy.  I don't find many fights in this game hard anymore aside from 4kings.  Screw 4kings.


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    Re: EVENT 7/13 - 7/14: Invasions 101: Invasion of the Lowbies

    Post by shadowzninjaz on Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:07 am

    Im in this 4 sure
    Gotta show what a darkstalker can do


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    Re: EVENT 7/13 - 7/14: Invasions 101: Invasion of the Lowbies

    Post by reim0027 on Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:20 am

    Both of you are added. I think I'm going to stick with this toon. I've got 33 kills with my invasions so far. I'll have to commit suicide to lose my humanity for this event though.


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    Re: EVENT 7/13 - 7/14: Invasions 101: Invasion of the Lowbies

    Post by shadowzninjaz on Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:23 am

    reim0027 wrote:Both of you are added.  I think I'm going to stick with this toon.  I've got 33 kills with my invasions so far.  I'll have to commit suicide to lose my humanity for this event though.  

    hahaha u and me both
    btw is there only a certain place we can invade at


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    Re: EVENT 7/13 - 7/14: Invasions 101: Invasion of the Lowbies

    Post by reim0027 on Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:25 am

    You can invade anywhere you want.


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    Re: EVENT 7/13 - 7/14: Invasions 101: Invasion of the Lowbies

    Post by Dibsville on Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:33 am

    I'm just going to use a base SL 1 with a Heater Shield.

    I'm so lazy. :S


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    Re: EVENT 7/13 - 7/14: Invasions 101: Invasion of the Lowbies

    Post by shadowzninjaz on Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:36 am

    Dibsville wrote:I'm just going to use a base SL 1 with a Heater Shield.

    I'm so lazy. :S

    Shield bash all day or pyro spam?


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    Post by Dibsville on Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:40 am

    http://mmdks.com/2xc8

    (Lightning Dagger is so I don't have to constantly switch if I get a high leveled host. I don't use it normally.)


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    Re: EVENT 7/13 - 7/14: Invasions 101: Invasion of the Lowbies

    Post by reim0027 on Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:25 am

    Very basic, but should be very effective.

    Last night I went against someone with a DGA (1 handed and fast rolling and well over 1k in vitality) and another with HCSM. Needless to say their SL was way above me.

    I also invaded someone who insisted on staying in Grigg's room. So, I went in to fight them there. It was his choice, I guess. I waited outside for him, but he just stayed in there. Long story short, Griggs ended up killing him.


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    Post by Dibsville on Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:27 am

    Just remembered, is Calamity Ring allowed? I prefer to use it when I'm invading Parish and Burg since the 99 Humanity gives me insane defense for that level, and I prefer to be as fair as possible.


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