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    The worst weapons to use in pvp?

    Post by Lmaousine on Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:09 pm

    Alright so I know that there are good weapons, and not so good weapons. What do you think are the worst weapons to use in pvp and why?

    I'll start with the Astora's Straight Sword, low damage even with high stats, and it is outclassed by most weapons in the game.


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    Re: The worst weapons to use in pvp?

    Post by Elifia on Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:18 pm

    #1 Straight Sword Hilt
    #2 Broken Straight Sword
    #3 Any purely defensive shield
    #4 Dark Hand
    #5 Cestus
    #6 Any offensive shield


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    Re: The worst weapons to use in pvp?

    Post by SadPanda on Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:05 pm

    Elifia wrote: #6 Any offensive shield

    Nope. Two hand any offensive shield and put on some heavy armor. You're good to go.

    #1&2: Broken Swords...

    #3: Offensive Catalysts

    #4: Mail Breaker

    #5: Whips
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    Re: The worst weapons to use in pvp?

    Post by Demon Slayer on Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:14 pm

    Theres no worts weps for pvp as longnas you believe is your self and had a lot of experience it doesnt matter what weapon your using

    You can beat a full havels user with just an broken sword weps dont lead anywhere experience is what you need notyhing more

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    Re: The worst weapons to use in pvp?

    Post by Carphil on Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:34 pm

    I loved your Astora's Straight Sword example. Its the perfect example of a weapon that it can't be even taken seriously in High levels PVP


    I would also add crystal magic ring shield and hammer of vamos


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    Re: The worst weapons to use in pvp?

    Post by Elifia on Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:47 pm

    Carphil wrote:hammer of vamos

    But...

    Vamos, vamos, mi amor...


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    Re: The worst weapons to use in pvp?

    Post by CarverUpqik on Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:15 pm

    man like ppl said any weapon can be used in pvp if you know what your doing ive taken mutha f***as out with a straight sword hilt lol


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    Re: The worst weapons to use in pvp?

    Post by twigsterxd on Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:55 pm

    ALL OF THEM!!!
    Why?
    Because I suck at pvp lol
    Truthfully, I gotta agree with the guys, none of them if you're awesome at pvp


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    Re: The worst weapons to use in pvp?

    Post by Elifia on Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:05 pm

    twigsterxd wrote:ALL OF THEM!!!
    Why?
    Because I suck at pvp lol
    Truthfully, I gotta agree with the guys, none of them if you're awesome at pvp

    No matter how awesome you are at PvP though, the Straight Sword Hilt is still the very worst weapon. It is inferior to every single weapon in every single way. Claiming otherwise is simply silly.


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    Re: The worst weapons to use in pvp?

    Post by twigsterxd on Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:28 pm

    If you fought a low level guy with a fire or chaos hilt, I bet it can be effective if you know what to do.


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    Re: The worst weapons to use in pvp?

    Post by CarverUpqik on Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:31 pm

    i didnt say it wasnt worse than all the other weapons im just saying that you can use anything and win just have to be good at pvp, therefor no weapon is "bad" it just the player cannot use it well enought to win. and im not saying the player is bad either just bad with that weapon, technically you could kill someone with your fist it would just take forever since it only does like 2 or 3 damage at the most per hit. unlike in demons souls were fists actually did decent damage considering you were bare handed... dark souls player character is just bad at hand to hand lol


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    Re: The worst weapons to use in pvp?

    Post by Elifia on Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:34 pm

    twigsterxd wrote:If you fought a low level guy with a fire or chaos hilt, I bet it can be effective if you know what to do.

    If you use a max upgrade chaos hilt, you'll have 106 AR of split damage. An unupgraded straight sword at base stats has roughly the same AR, but pure. So even fully upgraded via the most OP upgrade path, it's still inferior to a regular weapon without any upgrades whatsoever. Yeah, you might win, but the weapon you're using is still worse.


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    Re: The worst weapons to use in pvp?

    Post by Dibsville on Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:42 pm

    Astora's Straightsword - Low split damage even at high stats
    Straight Sword Hilt - Self explanatory
    Longbow - Slower than Shortbow and Composite Bow, outdamaged by Black Bow
    Dark Silver Tracer - Rapier has better criticals, Toxic attack is hard to hit with
    Mail Breaker - Same reason as Dark Silver Tracer, but without the Toxic
    Ghost Blade - Low damage, no bleed like Jagged Ghost Blade or other better Daggers
    Parrying Dagger - Outclassed by regular Dagger
    Channeler's Trident - Low reach compared to other Spears, split damage, 2h R2 is mostly useless
    Crystal Straightsword - Less damage and length than other Straight Swords but weighs more
    Crystal Greatsword - Less damage than other Greatswords, outclassed by Bastard Sword which is exactly the same
    Sniper Crossbow - Too slow, even for sniping
    Chaos Blade - Worthless R2 means you mostly have to R1 mash which gets you parried
    Blacksmith's Hammer - There are hammers that are literally better in every way; damage, weight, etc.
    Spear - Outclassed by other Spears in every way; damage, weight, etc.


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    Re: The worst weapons to use in pvp?

    Post by Myztyrio on Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:46 pm

    demon's catalyst xP


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    Re: The worst weapons to use in pvp?

    Post by Jansports on Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:28 pm

    But some weapons are "Bad" because there are other, much better, weapons available to the player. Of course if you catch a total nooblord you could beat them silly with straight sword hilts or Astora's But all you have to do is look at other weapons to realize some weapons are just garbage.

    Most of the truly offensively bad weapons have been mentioned already however I didn't see any mention of the Dragon Bone Fist. A weapon I truly truly wish was better
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    Re: The worst weapons to use in pvp?

    Post by Dibsville on Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:30 pm

    Jansports wrote:But some weapons are "Bad" because there are other, much better, weapons available to the player. Of course if you catch a total nooblord you could beat them silly with straight sword hilts or Astora's But all you have to do is look at other weapons to realize some weapons are just garbage.

    Most of the truly offensively bad weapons have been mentioned already however I didn't see any mention of the Dragon Bone Fist. A weapon I truly truly wish was better
    I was thinking of mentioning this, but I didn't because in all honestly I have never used it, yet I know its potential since I've used a buffed Caestus before and had quite a good time, so it would only be natural that something that is stronger would have better results.


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    Re: The worst weapons to use in pvp?

    Post by Carphil on Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:36 pm

    Elifia wrote:
    Carphil wrote:hammer of vamos

    But...

    Vamos, vamos, mi amor...

    It is sexy, but no stunlock sad


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    Re: The worst weapons to use in pvp?

    Post by Elifia on Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:46 pm

    Carphil wrote:
    Elifia wrote:
    Carphil wrote:hammer of vamos

    But...

    Vamos, vamos, mi amor...

    It is sexy, but no stunlock sad

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    Re: The worst weapons to use in pvp?

    Post by Kiva the wanderer on Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:27 pm

    SadPanda wrote:
    Elifia wrote: #6 Any offensive shield

    Nope. Two hand any offensive shield and put on some heavy armor. You're good to go.

    #1&2: Broken Swords...

    #3: Offensive Catalysts

    #4: Mail Breaker

    #5: Whips

    I use mail breaker, its great for cleaning up people when i weaken em down with my Greatsword.


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    Re: The worst weapons to use in pvp?

    Post by CarverUpqik on Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:46 pm

    and whips are great too cant be parried and really arent that bad especially a +15 dmb+3 notched whip


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    Re: The worst weapons to use in pvp?

    Post by Kiva the wanderer on Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:50 pm

    CarverUpqik wrote:and whips are great too cant be parried and really arent that bad especially a +15 dmb+3 notched whip
    And as off hands there great for range, poison or bleed, Red tearstone with charcoal or Gold resin and off course they can be used to chip parry warriors.


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    Re: The worst weapons to use in pvp?

    Post by Demon Slayer on Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:52 pm

    Why the unrep? Did i say something wrong and everybody seems to have the same perstective it doesnt matter what weapong your using just practice nothing more

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    Re: The worst weapons to use in pvp?

    Post by Kiva the wanderer on Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:57 pm

    Demon Slayer wrote:Why the unrep? Did i say something wrong and everybody seems to have the same perstective it doesnt matter what weapong your using just practice nothing more

    Please do not un rep me this is my opinion, please respect me whoever you are

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    Re: The worst weapons to use in pvp?

    Post by Bleeding_Katana on Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:10 pm

    Dibsville wrote:
    Chaos Blade - Worthless R2 means you mostly have to R1 mash which gets


    Are you being serious?
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    Re: The worst weapons to use in pvp?

    Post by Dibsville on Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:15 pm

    Bleeding_Katana wrote:
    Dibsville wrote:
    Chaos Blade - Worthless R2 means you mostly have to R1 mash which gets


    Are you being serious?
    I am being completely serious, every time I fight one it always ends the same way, me parrying them for the kill.

    The only person I can think of off of the top of my head that can constantly kill me with a Chaos Blade is billy_bayonet, otherwise it's always the same.

    I used to use a Chaos Blade, and I know you can very easily stop yourself from being parried, but looking from a dueller's perspective, it's a terrible weapon.


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