Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:13 am



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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by reim0027 on Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:15 am

    Good point. Shiva's weapons may be a bit premature. His weapons are pretty powerful. I don't see many very low level people running around with Shiva's weapons.


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by Jansports on Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:33 am

    Well the Uchi can also be got by killing the merchant, but the demon spear, Washing Pole (even though it's ar is similar to the uchi it's length is notable) Claws I don't think would be an issue. The Shotel is tricky as well. Those R2s. But who knows.

    If need be I can change the weapon on my build. Probably with a rapier or perhaps the partizan (I really want a rapier that can kick, is that too much to ask from?)
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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by Wilkinson3424 on Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:41 am



    http://mmdks.com/2khp


    The build speaks for itself, it is basically a demo version of most SL 120 mages these days.


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:51 am

    jansports, if you want to kick with a rapier just get an egghead, it may be a bit slower than the normal kick but you'll have a kick of sorts.


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by reim0027 on Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:52 am

    Dark Bead is not obtainable without beating the gargoyles. Same goes for your armor.


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by Jansports on Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:23 am

    http://mmdks.com/2ki3

    The build if it's decided Shiva weapons are off limits. Still debating between the BSS, Rapier, and Partizan. I think the BSS is a nice middle ground between the two others so I'm kind of leaning towards it. However I think the Rapier has the best roll attack and most synergy with dwgr. And the Partizan(or spear of any sorts, a shame no boss weapons are usable or I'd go 16int for the mlbh)

    Honestly this is why I love and hate this game so much. Something as small as choosing which weapon to hold when I'm not plinking arrows and flipping around and I just want to use everything cause it's all so good.
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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by wretchedsausage on Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:29 am

    http://mmdks.com/2kif

    Here's my build. Everything can be obtained without killing the gargoyles, and it is all reasonably low-powered.

    I would love for there to be an event based on using these builds, so it would be great if you could make this happen Reim.


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by Wilkinson3424 on Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:05 am

    reim0027 wrote:Dark Bead is not obtainable without beating the gargoyles. Same goes for your armor.

    Oh this is for a newcomer, ok Ill conjure up something else.

    http://mmdks.com/2kig

    EDIT: Ignore the pyroflame, it had a purpose before I pumped in a bit more Vit instead of Attunment.


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by wretchedsausage on Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:28 am

    Wilkinson3424 wrote:
    reim0027 wrote:Dark Bead is not obtainable without beating the gargoyles. Same goes for your armor.

    Oh this is for a newcomer, ok Ill conjure up something else.

    http://mmdks.com/2kig

    EDIT: Ignore the pyroflame, it had a purpose before I pumped in a bit more Vit instead of Attunment.

    dude, same problem. your armour cant be realistically obtained by a new player by SL10. just think about things which you can get from darkroot garden, the burg, the parish, and the undead asylum. pretty much everything else is off-limits.


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by StiffNipples on Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:29 am

    Go back and actually read the first post properly, a Lightning Uchi is OP as f*** for this, and also not possible with the rules given.


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by wretchedsausage on Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:31 am

    reim0027 wrote:

    Rules:

    • SL 10 or under
    • Max upgrades +5
    • Easy to obtain weapons and armor and rings (for a relative newcomer) without beating the Gargoyles. Hornet ring is out, DWGR is OK.
    • Deep into the Catacombs is off limits. So, no Chaos/Fire weapons
    • Farming the crystal lizards in the hollow tree is fine, so you can get one twinkling weapon to +5.
    • Quelanna and Eingyi is off limits, but Laurentis is fine.


    these are the rules. please read them carefully before creating and posting a build.


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by ResIsBestStat on Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:59 am

    http://mmdks.com/2kj0

    You said we couldn't get chaos/fire weapons, not that WE COULDN'T KILL VAMOS :3
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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by StiffNipples on Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:49 am

    Now that's how you exploit a loophole.


    I'd summon you, that build would look tough as slow walking towards someone.


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by wretchedsausage on Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:11 am

    ResIsBestStat wrote:http://mmdks.com/2kj0

    You said we couldn't get chaos/fire weapons, not that WE COULDN'T KILL VAMOS :3

    Please read the rules. "Deep into the Catacombs is off limits" means that Vamos' hammer is still off limits.


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by roanispe on Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:22 am

    This is the strongest build I could think of for these rules. It basically functions by simply having more damage than an alternative in both AR, and poise damage. It might have some trouble against a Stone Armour setup, but it still kills in 2 hits, or a single backstab. I'd assume Wolf is a fine ring to have, so it could be menuswapped if all one needed to do is win a slugfest.

    I'm not sure allowing +5 Twinkling titanite weapons is really 'fair', but this is my setup with that in mind.


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by wretchedsausage on Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:34 am

    I think stuff from the Lower Undead Burg is ok, because it can be accessed early in the game rather easily, key is in the Undead Parish.

    I didn't see any builds using the drake sword, so here is one: http://mmdks.com/2kkk

    High mobility, 300AR, reasonable health, pretty solid...


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by billy_bayonet on Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:06 am

    http://mmdks.com/2klz This is a SL10 version of the build i use at SL15 in the parish uchi from merchant, estoc from New londo Scimitar from Blighttown


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by Uparkaam on Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:22 am

    http://mmdks.com/2kly

    The reinforced club and heavy crossbow deal some nice damage even at +5. This build is also able to deal fire damage and it can inflict bleed and poison. And full stone set gives pretty good def and poise.


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by Eko on Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:44 am

    I feel like the limitations need to be more precisely defined. For instance, I don't think I have ever seen an SL10 with the Stone Set, DWGR, anything from Shiva, etc. I know those areas open up more creativity, but it feels like the term "fair" and "easy to obtain" need a bit more precision.

    For instance, a lightning uchigatana doesn't seem fair to me especially since we are only supposed to go to +5 on a weapon meaning elemental weapons should be impossible on this build. Deep into the Catacombs should also be more clear as I would suggest the Gravelord Sword would be deep into the Catacombs while the Great Scythe may not be.


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by reim0027 on Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:57 pm

    Good point. I wrote it without too much detail. Partly out of laziness. I didn't want to go through every early level and decide on all the details. I will go back and be more specific. IMO, we should not allow the Forest-obtained items (based on your argument). I'll also define specifics of the Catacombs. To me, the Depths seems a bit of a stretch too, but some pyro is needed, right? I'll also go through my invasion level chart that I compiled to see where people were at. And, remember, Darkwraiths invade up.

    Give me a bit to define things more.


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by Eko on Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:29 pm

    However the definitions work out it looks like there is a fair few people interested in the idea. Hopefully we get some more so the event can actually happen, I'd be excited to see what people can come up with when they can't use their favorites in regards to weapons, armor, etc. I know it's hard for me to make a build without a Shotel or a Composite Bow.


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by reim0027 on Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:54 pm

    Ok, how about these rules?

    • Sl 10 or lower
    • Max upgrades at +5 (so, only use titante shards)
    • Can use up to 10 twinkling titanites
    • Can not obtain anything by beating Kellog or Hydra.
    • Items may be obtained from only the following locations

      • Firelink Shrine
      • Undead burg
      • Parish
      • Lower undead Burg
      • Lower B-Town (as defined from the location you enter using the Master Key)
      • Great Hollow
      • Darkroot basin
      • Darkroot garden

    • Weapons upgrades only thorugh Andre
    • Merchants: Male undead, Female undead
    • Trainers: Griggs, Rickert, and Laurentis
    • Rings allowed: RTSR, BTSR, Wolf, FaP, and Havel's
    • Exceptions: RTSR and Brigand's are obtained in Valley of the Drakes - those are OK.

    The goal of this is to be fair, almost to the point of being handicapped.

    If a phantom or the host has an elemental weapon, or crown of dusk, then you can pull out any weapon/armor you want (so have them in reserve). This includes a host or weapon that is clearly way above the average level for that area. So, if you see someone wielding a BKGA, slap on a HR and a raper and give them the what's for.

    That last paragraph is subjective and will rely on your own discretion.


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by steveswede on Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:07 pm

    Considering Valley of the Drakes is accessible from two locations in that liist, that should be on there. Not only that but New Londo is accessible from the get go so items from there should be fine. I have managed to get a jagged ghost blade from the first ghost I've killed quite a few times so it's not as if they are hard to get.
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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by reim0027 on Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:10 pm

    The jagged ghost blade was as question mark for me as well. Do you really think a new/low SL character will be able to easily obtain that?

    As for Valley of the Drakes, about the only thing there is the RTSR and Brigand's armor, right? You do get the witch cloak after beating the 4 kings, so that one is out. I don't think it is fair to go pilaging in New Londo looking for items (like the composite bow).

    I amended the proposed list of rules.


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