Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by TheMeInTeam on Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:21 pm

    Avenger649 wrote:Here is my build: http://mmdks.com/2m6n
    It is simple enough to play and even at +5 the warpick can easily hit 200 damage with the strong attacks.

    Why no grass crest or dragon crest shield, or even just a shield with slightly better stability? You can afford the weight and still be midroll. The 5% damage through grass is more than offset by stamina regen on it, and upgraded to +5 I think it has better stability too.
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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by Avenger649 on Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:39 pm

    I never really use the grass shield, mainly because I wanted to learn how to manage stamina rather than have it regenerate quickly.
    The shield has worse stability I think and since we are trying to be fair I tried to only use very basic equipment that new players would have, and I do not see them with grass crest shields.
    Plus, since I can kill people in about four hits I didn't really bother.


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by TheMeInTeam on Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:59 pm

    At least buy a slightly better shield off of Andre then ^_^.


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by wretchedsausage on Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:51 pm

    Heater shield +5: 60 stability
    Grass crest shield +5: 56 stability
    Caduceus Kite/tower shield +5: 63 stability
    Crest Shield +5: 66 stability

    I hope this helps


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by Jansports on Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:55 pm

    Don't dis the heater shield. It has great stability for being only 2.0 weight (it has better stability than any of the twinkling upgraded shields like dragon crest or regular crest unless you spend your precious twinkling on a shield) Yeah the 3.0 shields Andre sells have slightly better stability but really truly the heater shield is an amazing piece of work.

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    http://mmdks.com/2m8r this build is more for silly fun. The Large Club even at just +5 has massive AR and rolling around slamming it into stuff is a blast. Sweet offhand Dagger for the parries and being fast.

    Also to anyone who's going to be doing 4kings to become a darkwraith for this and started as a Pyromancer. The +15 Flame Combustion and Great Combustion (go on and buy it just don't use it during the event) is plenty to get them dead. For everyone else A +5 Jagged Ghost Blade actually serves very well against most of the bosses in the game, I used one and breezed through the lord soul areas excepting Izalith (I used the shortcut and quit reload cheesed bed of chaos)
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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by Dusk Soul on Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:40 pm

    Is Cloranthy Ring allowed? It is at the very start of the great hollow which is an allowed area; but it isn't on the allowed rings.

    Edit: Here is my build, I always loved the curved greatswords; but only Server is actually available with the rule-set and I think it is a great opportunity to use it and not feel I am gimping myself by not using Mura or the GLS.
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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by reim0027 on Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:06 am

    No, Cloranthy is not allowed. Not a ring that new, low level players get.

    As soon as Stiff updates the spreadsheet, I'll create an event post. I'll probably redo the build I posted at first. Still deciding.


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by Dusk Soul on Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:15 am

    Fair enough, in any case Wolf serves better for my build.
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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by StiffNipples on Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:25 am

    Sorry I haven't updated it guys, I didn't get home last night until 1am so I didn't get a chance to look at it.

    Reim if you have a gmail account could you PM me it and I'll add you to the list of those that can edit it, as of tomorrow I will be out of my home state for about 10 days and I won't have access to a computer.


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by Jansports on Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:34 am

    reim0027 wrote:No, Cloranthy is not allowed. Not a ring that new, low level players get.

    And FaP is? Lautrec has killed more hosts in my experience than any boss. And that's assuming the player even attacks him, what if they collect their medal and let him make off with the firekeeper's soul? It's not til Anor Londo that you can have a chance at it again.

    I'm not saying we should ban FaP, but if the great hallow is allowed at all I don't see why Cloranthy would be excluded, it's impossible to go anywhere in the great hallow without seeing the corpse it's on.
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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by reim0027 on Thu Jun 06, 2013 12:54 am

    FaP is fairly easily gotten. Did you get the Cloranthy at a low level? If you guys think it should be in, then we'll include it. It really won't add too much power to your build. Less valuable than the FaP or Wolf's.


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by TheMeInTeam on Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:51 am

    It took me a long time to find great hollow at all in first playthrough, but the first item I grabbed when I got there was cloranthy lol. IMO if we allow twinkling titanite from there we should allow the ring, which is honestly probably easier to get than some of those lizards and a LOT more straightforward.

    I agree that it's not a super powerful ring anyway considering it means dropping FAP, wolf's, or havel's so it makes sense to let people who actually want to use it do so.


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by reim0027 on Thu Jun 06, 2013 1:54 am

    Ok. You guys make a good argument. Since it may actually weaken your build, and is accessible in an area which is allowed, then I'll add it.

    Any other changes? As soon as stiff adds me to the people who can edit the spreadsheet, this thing's going live.


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by Dusk Soul on Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:02 am

    Do we stop at Raw or can we go up to Raw +5? I recall someone saying that we could only use up to Large shards for reinforcements and IIRC Raw uses large shards all the way up to +5.

    Large shards are easily farmed in lower B-town or with some luck you can get tons of them in the Great Hollow.
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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by Jansports on Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:03 am

    The main reason I think Cloranthy should be allowed is how obvious it is when you first enter the great hallow, it's RIGHT THERE. And it's not all that powerful when we have Wolf/FaP/Havel.

    Going over the allowed areas, checking for any missed items or things that might be an issue (like the black knight sword was) I see the Catch Pole as a potential problem. And The Tiny Beings Ring should be allowed as you can start the game with it (though I'm not sure anyone would bother to put it on)
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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by Dusk Soul on Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:06 am

    When I did my first playthrough I choose the Tiny Being's ring as my starting gift (started with a Thief, so I had the Master Key already) and I was fooled by the Character Creation Screen that says it regenerates HP while worn.

    I'm sure many other new players have fallen for that description.
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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by Jansports on Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:46 am

    Having played Demon's before I too thought the Tiny being's ring would basically just be the regen ring and picked it. I was mad for weeks that it wasn't
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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by wretchedsausage on Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:51 am

    Tiny beings ring should be allowed, since it can be accessed from the start of the game.

    @dusk soul; I do not believe Raw is allowed at all. You can only upgrade weapons and Armour using titanite Shards, and since Raw requires large shards, it is disallowed.


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by Ghadis_God on Thu Jun 06, 2013 3:40 am

    Here's my contribution. Jagged Ghost Blade is to be upgraded to wherever you feel is appropriate damagewise, and Spear+Curved sword duel wield is the best combo in the game. http://mmdks.com/2mg6


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by Halicarnassis on Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:06 am

    After much deliberation I think this is going to be my build. The Shotel is for phantoms packing elemental weapons. just in case..
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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by wretchedsausage on Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:16 am

    Sorry mate, but Poison Mist is out(acquired from Eingyi).



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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by Uparkaam on Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:21 am

    Wait. If Depths isn't allowed, how can people buy stuff from Laurentius? Or are we allowed to get stuff from Depths?


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by Uparkaam on Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:23 am

    wretchedsausage wrote:Sorry mate, but Poison Mist is out(acquired from Eingyi).


    You can find one copy of it in the swamp on a corpse with the pyromancer's clothes.


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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by wretchedsausage on Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:47 am

    you can? Oops, my bad.

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    Re: Who can create the most powerful fair low level build?

    Post by Werdax on Thu Jun 06, 2013 8:59 am

    With a good eye for parry opportunities, I have found this one surprisingly viable:
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