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    Re: Most underrated weapon

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    Re: Most underrated weapon

    Post by wretchedsausage on Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:01 pm

    I think that the Longsword is hugely underrated. I'm currently working on a build for it, and I must say it is an excellent weapon, perhaps even my favourite. from what I can tell, it's pretty much a smaller, faster Claymore, but with enough damage for the smaller size to not be an issue.


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    Re: Most underrated weapon

    Post by Jansports on Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:59 pm

    I think technically the claymore is a bigger slower longsword. And I don't see the longsword often but I use it fairly often and I don't know of anyone who hates it.
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    Re: Most underrated weapon

    Post by ResIsBestStat on Sat Jun 01, 2013 9:22 pm

    I find the Guardian's Tail underrated, i mean sure, it has low poison buildup and bad damage, but if you add rotten pine resin first and crystal magic weapon or sunlight blade.....hehehe
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    Re: Most underrated weapon

    Post by Myztyrio on Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:14 am

    LunarFog wrote:
    Animaaal wrote:
    Dibsville wrote:Dagger.

    Dear God I never realized how good it is until recently. I never used it...I mean NEVER. It was always Bandit's Knife or nothing for me.

    But I started playing the game again, and my +2 chaos dagger is shredding through everything where I'm doing phantom work.

    I actually owe Dibs a +1 for talking about it frequently over the past few weeks.
    Enlighten me. Isn't the bandit's knife still better? I mean, a +2 chaos bandit knife can do anything a +2 chaos dagger can but better right?

    Knife + Buff = Win, Ma'am.

    I would say either kicking, or in sense of a weapon, the Server. It sees no play because of Murakumo being there, and they assume it is significantly weaker because it already has the perk of the hp gain. But its stat req's are so lower, if you two-hand it and just have 16 str, 13 dex, go chaos, you'll be hitting very hard, fast, and stun-locking at low sl.
    It's essentially the same idea as the Zwei, but higher dex req's in exchange for less range but more speed. The Zwei is, on the other hand, a great, but well appreciated weapon.


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    Re: Most underrated weapon

    Post by raecor14 on Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:24 am

    well mine would be the obsidian greatsword, i never really see it and on my mage build it kicks ***, like no real stat requirements and 480 AR + its buffable.


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    Re: Most underrated weapon

    Post by Jansports on Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:45 am

    I don't get all this dagger hoopla. I mean the Bandit Knife is the same weapon with better stats. Or am I missing something? Is there some secret to the dagger I'm not in on?
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    Re: Most underrated weapon

    Post by ResIsBestStat on Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:44 am

    Jansports wrote:I don't get all this dagger hoopla. I mean the Bandit Knife is the same weapon with better stats. Or am I missing something? Is there some secret to the dagger I'm not in on?

    The dagger has thrust attacks while the bandit dagger doesn't have that, the thrust is really powerful if you pair it with the leo ring
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    Re: Most underrated weapon

    Post by Tolvo on Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:30 am

    The Grant, I like it a lot and not enough people use it I think.
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    Re: Most underrated weapon

    Post by raecor14 on Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:10 am

    Tolvo wrote:The Grant, I like it a lot and not enough people use it I think.
    heavy, high stat requirement, mediocre damage


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    Re: Most underrated weapon

    Post by Serious_Much on Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:41 am

    raecor14 wrote:well mine would be the obsidian greatsword, i never really see it and on my mage build it kicks ***, like no real stat requirements and 480 AR + its buffable.

    You probably don't see it because A) it's DLC item and B) you have to chop it off kala, which is a pain in the *** at best silly


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    Re: Most underrated weapon

    Post by raecor14 on Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:44 am

    Serious_Much wrote:
    raecor14 wrote:well mine would be the obsidian greatsword, i never really see it and on my mage build it kicks ***, like no real stat requirements and 480 AR + its buffable.

    You probably don't see it because A) it's DLC item and B) you have to chop it off kala, which is a pain in the *** at best
    almost everyone has DLC and its not that hard with 2 people. well i got it by accident


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    Re: Most underrated weapon

    Post by Jansports on Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:50 am

    ResIsBestStat wrote:
    Jansports wrote:I don't get all this dagger hoopla. I mean the Bandit Knife is the same weapon with better stats. Or am I missing something? Is there some secret to the dagger I'm not in on?

    The dagger has thrust attacks while the bandit dagger doesn't have that, the thrust is really powerful if you pair it with the leo ring

    The Bandit Knife has the R2 thrust as well. Really seriously I don't know of a difference in their move sets, and Bandit's has the bleed and a little more AR.
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    Re: Most underrated weapon

    Post by ResIsBestStat on Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:58 am

    Jansports wrote:
    ResIsBestStat wrote:
    Jansports wrote:I don't get all this dagger hoopla. I mean the Bandit Knife is the same weapon with better stats. Or am I missing something? Is there some secret to the dagger I'm not in on?

    The dagger has thrust attacks while the bandit dagger doesn't have that, the thrust is really powerful if you pair it with the leo ring

    The Bandit Knife has the R2 thrust as well. Really seriously I don't know of a difference in their move sets, and Bandit's has the bleed and a little more AR.

    Uhhh, no...
    http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/Bandit's+Knife
    read this, read it carefully....

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    Re: Most underrated weapon

    Post by Animaaal on Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:58 am

    LunarFog wrote:
    Animaaal wrote:
    Dibsville wrote:Dagger.

    Dear God I never realized how good it is until recently. I never used it...I mean NEVER. It was always Bandit's Knife or nothing for me.

    But I started playing the game again, and my +2 chaos dagger is shredding through everything where I'm doing phantom work.

    I actually owe Dibs a +1 for talking about it frequently over the past few weeks. biggrin
    Enlighten me. Isn't the bandit's knife still better? I mean, a +2 chaos bandit knife can do anything a +2 chaos dagger can but better right?

    Jansports wrote:I don't get all this dagger hoopla. I mean the Bandit Knife is the same weapon with better stats. Or am I missing something? Is there some secret to the dagger I'm not in on?

    Animaaal wrote:
    I have 11 dex, and 11 str. There's not a lot of weapons you can use at those stats. I use a lightning longsword, a lightning spear, and a chaos dagger. I know the Leo Ring only increases physical damage, but it still gives a bonus, which can be huge at soul level 11. Its my low level sunbro helper build.

    I thought about going to soul level 12 just to have 12 dex, but it just doesn't seem necessary given my current set up.

    I said that meaning the ele spear and ele dagger I use still get the Leo bouns, granted its a lot less with ele weps, but its still there, and at sl 11...its devastating. devil
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    Re: Most underrated weapon

    Post by Dibsville on Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:38 pm

    Dagger is faster, benefits from the Leo Ring with the R2s, weighs .5 units less, and every base class can use it.

    Much better than Bandit's Knife.


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    Re: Most underrated weapon

    Post by Zero LeStrange on Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:38 pm

    wretchedsausage wrote:I think that the Longsword is hugely underrated. I'm currently working on a build for it, and I must say it is an excellent weapon, perhaps even my favourite. from what I can tell, it's pretty much a smaller, faster Claymore, but with enough damage for the smaller size to not be an issue.

    This. The Longsword is good overall. But even better if you think creatively. The 2H R2s swing like a Broadsword. And it uses a bit less stamina and is a tiny bit faster/longer.
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    Re: Most underrated weapon

    Post by Dibsville on Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:39 pm

    Zero LeStrange wrote:
    wretchedsausage wrote:I think that the Longsword is hugely underrated. I'm currently working on a build for it, and I must say it is an excellent weapon, perhaps even my favourite. from what I can tell, it's pretty much a smaller, faster Claymore, but with enough damage for the smaller size to not be an issue.

    This. The Longsword is good overall. But even better if you think creatively. The 2H R2s swing like a Broadsword. And it uses a bit less stamina and is a tiny bit faster/longer.
    The Claymore is a bigger version of the Longsword*
    Longsword had its moveset long before the Claymore adopted its thrust attack.


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    Re: Most underrated weapon

    Post by ResIsBestStat on Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:04 pm

    Pike is underrated, dat range...
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    Re: Most underrated weapon

    Post by Dibsville on Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:25 pm

    ResIsBestStat wrote:Pike is underrated, dat range...
    But that running attack...


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    Re: Most underrated weapon

    Post by Jansports on Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:21 pm

    Who runs AT people with a pike?
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    Re: Most underrated weapon

    Post by xenon_nobelium on Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:26 pm

    jagged ghost blade. the offhand curved sword for pure str builds. the damage is laughable but coparable to a offhand dagger@40dex. but offhand weapons are a tool, not a damage dealer...too bad there is no "big" (as in 500+ dmg) str weapon with bleed effect^^


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    Re: Most underrated weapon

    Post by Latitoast on Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:01 pm

    GrinTwist wrote:Darksword, I barely see people use it in PVP but it's actually not that bad of a weapon if you know how to use the attacks to your advantage.
    This so much.

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    Re: Most underrated weapon

    Post by Tolvo on Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:57 pm

    The Pike Running attack is like the R2 of Ricard's. Hard to land, but if you do you get three free hits in while pushing and staggering someone. Quite useful for finishing off runners in tight areas, like on bridges. I use the pike quite often and enjoy it.
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    Re: Most underrated weapon

    Post by StiffNipples on Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:34 am

    My most underrated weapon would have to be the Butchers Knife.
    Barely ever see it on PC and it's quite a good weapon with some funny attacks.
    It dead angles nicely on strafe BS fishers, deals decent poise damage, is quick enough, and hits pretty hard. IMO it should do more damage as it's vastly outclassed by a Katana (Uchi does the same damage but is twice as fast with bleed and less weight and a thrust attack, in fact nerf katanas plx FROM).

    Also another underrated weapon, well not so much underrated as severly underpowered, is the Crystal Greatsword. I really want this weapon to be better as it's pretty much just a really cool looking short version of the Man Serpent Greatsword that can't be upgraded and has practically no scaling.
    I wish it was like B/B with str/dex, that way there'd be a positive to it, but as it is it's just useless. Nice looking, but useless.


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