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    Re: Philosophy Time

    Post by Encore on Fri May 31, 2013 6:49 pm

    Let´s say god is the only omnipotent being, as is the definition of god. God is omnipotence.

    Dibs, if you could transfer could take away you strength, making you subjectively weaker. That would not make everyone stronger then you you, rather you would still be yourself, only weaker.

    God takes away his power, becoming "weaker" then the rock, but the rock is still not omnipotence, only stronger then a once omnipotent being.


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    Re: Philosophy Time

    Post by Serious_Much on Fri May 31, 2013 6:50 pm

    dibs where was my paradox?


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    Re: Philosophy Time

    Post by Dibsville on Fri May 31, 2013 6:51 pm

    Tehdoomgrasp wrote:Let´s say god is the only omnipotent being, as is the definition of god. God is omnipotence.

    Dibs, if you could transfer could take away you strength, making you subjectively weaker. That would not make everyone stronger then you you, rather you would still be yourself, only weaker.

    God takes away his power, becoming "weaker" then the rock, but the rock is still not omnipotence, only stronger then a once omnipotent being.
    For the rock to be all-powerful, it would have a power that exceeds all else. If God created an all-powerful boulder, then made himself weaker than it, the boulder would be omnipotent, having an all-powerful capability more than that of anything else.


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    Re: Philosophy Time

    Post by Tolvo on Fri May 31, 2013 6:51 pm

    Dibs words exist for a reason, they're for the sake of communication.

    If I go, "But Thor might define Paradox differently," it doesn't make my argument right. It makes me retarded.
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    Re: Philosophy Time

    Post by Dibsville on Fri May 31, 2013 6:51 pm

    Serious_Much wrote:dibs where was my paradox?
    Can God create a boulder he can not lift.


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    Re: Philosophy Time

    Post by Dibsville on Fri May 31, 2013 6:52 pm

    Tolvo wrote:Dibs words exist for a reason, they're for the sake of communication.

    If I go, "But Thor might define Paradox differently," it doesn't make my argument right. It makes me retarded.
    How would that make you retarded?


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    Re: Philosophy Time

    Post by Encore on Fri May 31, 2013 6:53 pm

    But the boulder might be "stronger" then god, but there is a difference between "stronger" and "strongest"


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    Re: Philosophy Time

    Post by Serious_Much on Fri May 31, 2013 6:53 pm

    Dibsville wrote:
    Serious_Much wrote:dibs where was my paradox?
    Can God create a boulder he can not lift.

    Well done dibs. It's called as I showed you on the wiki page that it's called the omnipotence paradox..

    You see though that it's not really relevant to they discussion silly


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    Re: Philosophy Time

    Post by Dibsville on Fri May 31, 2013 6:54 pm

    Tehdoomgrasp wrote:But the boulder might be "stronger" then god, but there is a difference between "stronger" and "strongest"
    If God created an all-powerful boulder, then what would be stronger than it should God become weaker than it?


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    Re: Philosophy Time

    Post by Tolvo on Fri May 31, 2013 6:54 pm

    It would mean I'm slow, that I'm not showing intelligence in what I'm saying, that I'm trying to use words in ways I don't understand while discussing a subject I know nothing about. It would show I know nothing about debate. It can mean being delayed, or backwards in logic. Thus, I would be retarded.
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    Re: Philosophy Time

    Post by Dibsville on Fri May 31, 2013 6:54 pm

    Serious_Much wrote:
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    Serious_Much wrote:dibs where was my paradox?
    Can God create a boulder he can not lift.

    Well done dibs. It's called as I showed you on the wiki page that it's called the omnipotence paradox..

    You see though that it's not really relevant to they discussion silly
    How is the question that started the discussion not relevant to the discussion?


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    Re: Philosophy Time

    Post by Serious_Much on Fri May 31, 2013 6:55 pm

    Tehdoomgrasp wrote:But the boulder might be "stronger" then god, but there is a difference between "stronger" and "strongest"

    Problem is with the definition of omnipotence is he is the strongest in ALL ways. It's impossible for him to be omnipotent not be strong enough to lift the boulder if he is the strongest by definition

    dibs doesn't matter you don't understand what i meant


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    Re: Philosophy Time

    Post by Encore on Fri May 31, 2013 6:56 pm

    Dibsville wrote:
    Tehdoomgrasp wrote:But the boulder might be "stronger" then god, but there is a difference between "stronger" and "strongest"
    If God created an all-powerful boulder, then what would be stronger than it should God become weaker than it?
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    The thing is that the boulder was never "all powerful" rather just more powerful then a weaker god.


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    Re: Philosophy Time

    Post by Dibsville on Fri May 31, 2013 6:56 pm

    Tolvo wrote:It would mean I'm slow, that I'm not showing intelligence in what I'm saying, that I'm trying to use words in ways I don't understand while discussing a subject I know nothing about. It would show I know nothing about debate. It can mean being delayed, or backwards in logic. Thus, I would be retarded.
    That would not make you retarded, that would simply mean you said what you thought was true.

    Being retarded and speaking your mind are two completely different things.


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    Re: Philosophy Time

    Post by Encore on Fri May 31, 2013 6:56 pm

    Serious_Much wrote:
    Tehdoomgrasp wrote:But the boulder might be "stronger" then god, but there is a difference between "stronger" and "strongest"

    Problem is with the definition of omnipotence is he is the strongest in ALL ways. It's impossible for him to be omnipotent not be strong enough to lift the boulder if he is the strongest by definition

    I understand, I was was wrong and understood wrong.

    I declare myself wrong.


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    Re: Philosophy Time

    Post by Dibsville on Fri May 31, 2013 6:57 pm

    Tehdoomgrasp wrote:
    Dibsville wrote:
    Tehdoomgrasp wrote:But the boulder might be "stronger" then god, but there is a difference between "stronger" and "strongest"
    If God created an all-powerful boulder, then what would be stronger than it should God become weaker than it?
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    The thing is that the boulder was never "all powerful" rather just more powerful then a weaker god.
    But if the boulder was all-powerful, then it would be omnipotent if God was weaker than it.


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    Re: Philosophy Time

    Post by Tolvo on Fri May 31, 2013 6:57 pm

    One can easily speak their mind while being retarded.
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    Re: Philosophy Time

    Post by Serious_Much on Fri May 31, 2013 6:58 pm

    Actually tolvo you wouldn't be retarded in that situation, you'd be stupid

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    Re: Philosophy Time

    Post by Dibsville on Fri May 31, 2013 6:58 pm

    Yes, you could speak your mind and be retarded, but that's not true in all situations. You can either speak your mind, be retarded, or both.

    Or none of them at all.


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    Re: Philosophy Time

    Post by Encore on Fri May 31, 2013 6:58 pm

    Dibsville wrote:
    Tehdoomgrasp wrote:
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    Tehdoomgrasp wrote:But the boulder might be "stronger" then god, but there is a difference between "stronger" and "strongest"
    If God created an all-powerful boulder, then what would be stronger than it should God become weaker than it?
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    The thing is that the boulder was never "all powerful" rather just more powerful then a weaker god.
    But if the boulder was all-powerful, then it would be omnipotent if God was weaker than it.

    You are right, I misunderstood the paradox itself. I will withdraw my argument.


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    Re: Philosophy Time

    Post by Serious_Much on Fri May 31, 2013 6:59 pm

    no teh, you didn't misunderstand. Dibs just misunderstands what omnipotence means... because he's applying the word to a rock silly


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    Re: Philosophy Time

    Post by Encore on Fri May 31, 2013 7:00 pm

    A rock by it´s definition can not be omnipotence, if it is it´s no longer a rock and has become "God"


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    Re: Philosophy Time

    Post by Dibsville on Fri May 31, 2013 7:00 pm

    Serious_Much wrote:no teh, you didn't understand. Dibs just misunderstands what omnipotence means... because he's applying the word to a rock silly
    Omnipotence is having power over everything else, hence being "all-powerful".

    A boulder can very easily be omnipotent, whether it be in power itself of by some other meaning.


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    Re: Philosophy Time

    Post by Tolvo on Fri May 31, 2013 7:00 pm

    Actually Serious a person who is stupid is also considered to be retarded by some definitions. Generally the only thing would be that if you are a quick thinking idiot, you are not retarded since retardation involves slow or delayed thinking. So if you can come to the wrong conclusions incredibly quickly then you are not retarded, but are still stupid.
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    Re: Philosophy Time

    Post by Dibsville on Fri May 31, 2013 7:01 pm

    Tehdoomgrasp wrote:A rock by it´s definition can not be omnipotence, if it is it´s no longer a rock and has become "God"
    I'm sure there's a religion out there that worships boulders.


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