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    Getting into PVP - Any beginners tips?

    Post by Spook 762 on Wed May 29, 2013 8:27 am

    Hey all,

    I got Dark Souls not too long ago, and I am LOVING it. After spending a while familiarising myself with the game and what all these freaking numbers mean, I think it is about time I came out of my small enclosure and into the "real world" of PVP. What advice can you guys give me? What changes from PVE? Any and all help is welcome because I am completely new happy Much appreciated!


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    Re: Getting into PVP - Any beginners tips?

    Post by raecor14 on Wed May 29, 2013 8:35 am

    not so much a tip as a build but http://mmdks.com/2ina this build kisks ***.


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    Re: Getting into PVP - Any beginners tips?

    Post by AnCapaillMor on Wed May 29, 2013 8:38 am

    Don't start by going to the forest would be my main advice.
    Prepare to be backstabbed alot in PVP, you'll get hammered at first but learn from your experiences. Look up youtubes on pvp tips, theres a few good ones going around explaining the mechanics and differences between pvp and pve.
    Listen to what Calvin Dibs has got to say.


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    Re: Getting into PVP - Any beginners tips?

    Post by Spook 762 on Wed May 29, 2013 8:44 am

    Thanks for the build raecor. I haven't yet tried a class with lots of magic on it, as I love my bows and swords, but perhaps it's time I did.

    AnCapailMor, if I put his name into youtube will it come up?

    Do my builds have to be based around PVP, or can I use the ones that I have going for PVE?


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    Post by AnCapaillMor on Wed May 29, 2013 8:52 am

    It won't come up(i think), he's a guy here.


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    Re: Getting into PVP - Any beginners tips?

    Post by Jansports on Wed May 29, 2013 8:54 am

    Just start fighting people. And keep fighting people. As you gain experience you'll notice certain things people do, you'll start working out what it is they you can do to win. Basically the best teacher is personal experience, so the more pvp you do the better you'll get.

    http://mmdks.com/2inj

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    Re: Getting into PVP - Any beginners tips?

    Post by Maplepop on Wed May 29, 2013 9:14 am

    I suppose it all depends on your personal playing style, but learning how to fight whilst 2-handing your weapon I found to be really beneficial - it kinda forces you to be more aggressive.

    I generally tended to fight on the defensive before and found myself using my shield to hide behind (this is fine if you are savvy to parrying, but I wasn't)

    Knowing when to switch between 1-handing and 2-handing your blade can be crucial


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    Re: Getting into PVP - Any beginners tips?

    Post by Dutchy on Wed May 29, 2013 9:30 am

    Stop being Casul winking

    But on a serious note. Like the others said, you should try Mugen Monkey. It will help out a lot by getting your idea in an actual workspace. + Math are hard, and it does it for you. And just like Jansports said, fight, and don't stop fighting. I might be able to help you out if our NAT's stop buggering around. You will eventually find out what weapons you like, what weapons you hate to fight. Which weapons Deadangle, which attacks of your weapons dead angle, how to avoid being backstabbed etc. PhantomEWFG has very good "tuts" and I recommend learning this one first: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpZeX-RCat8 Because you will most likely be backstabbed 90% of the time in the beginning. And if you learn to do it yourself, you can counter these people, and even learn how to avoid it yourself. I found that if there was a weapon or playstyle I didn't like fighting, if I started using it, I would soon find plenty of ways to counter it. Anyway, you know me, so we can talk about it whenever.


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    Re: Getting into PVP - Any beginners tips?

    Post by Spook 762 on Wed May 29, 2013 11:22 am

    Thanks all. I've been trying to two-hand my weapons more in PVE just to get used to it. I've found that it helps a lot with breaking the guard on the turtley hollows with the spears.

    We shall speak about this tomorrow Dutchy. I would watch that video, but I tried youtube before and it is just refusing to load


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    Re: Getting into PVP - Any beginners tips?

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    Re: Getting into PVP - Any beginners tips?

    Post by jaythibodeau on Wed May 29, 2013 12:18 pm

    As difficult as the fights may be sometimes, I highly suggest that you start off in the Forest for PvP. The Forest basically teaches you to dodge, play smart, or die. If you can learn from the ways that people can kill you in the Forest, it'd make you much better at PvP.


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    Re: Getting into PVP - Any beginners tips?

    Post by robsthedon on Wed May 29, 2013 1:09 pm

    1. Make a focused sl100.
    2. Get added to the 'Duel in Depths' chat wiki F.C.
    3. Join chat any night and duel wiki members.


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    Re: Getting into PVP - Any beginners tips?

    Post by Walter_White on Wed May 29, 2013 1:46 pm

    rob got it

    come to us....i need a kill every now and then ;-)


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    Re: Getting into PVP - Any beginners tips?

    Post by robsthedon on Wed May 29, 2013 2:16 pm

    Walter_White wrote:rob got it

    come to us....i need a kill every now and then ;-)

    big grin be nice Walt


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    Re: Getting into PVP - Any beginners tips?

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Wed May 29, 2013 11:48 pm

    Look up EWGF Phantom on youtube and watch his videos. Get a good build that is simple to use. Focus on learning basic stuff first: positioning, timing, adjusting for lag, etc. Do not try to emulate people you see on youtube or streams. Find good players and fight them.


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    Re: Getting into PVP - Any beginners tips?

    Post by SirArchmage on Thu May 30, 2013 12:03 am

    As horrible as it is, I suggest going in on a low-leveled character into the forest? Will you kill anyone? Most likely not. Will you be killed in every cheap way imaginable? Yes. The forest is a hub for every form of pvp there is in a desperate attempt of everyone trying to kill everyone else. You will learn from your countless deaths there, and eventually you can learn from honorable fights. You can get a sparring partner on the forum and learn from them. Eventually you will figure out all the tiny bits of pvp that there is and figure out how to kill everyone you see, or at least know how to fight everything you see. I suggest some heavy lurking on the forums PvP section to see peoples strategies and tips. When I was learning, I had no idea what dead-angling was, split-damage, toggle-escaping, bs fishing, or chain-stabbing was. I learned that what I was doing was pretty stupid and adapted. So, in the dark souls spirit......Prepare to Die!


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    Re: Getting into PVP - Any beginners tips?

    Post by BrotherBob on Thu May 30, 2013 1:21 am

    Invest in a Heater Shield +14 (no real point in taking it to +15). Terrific stability for a small shield, low weight, and pretty much a parrying machine. From my experiences with a low-level PvP build, if you have the courage to go no-shield, a Chaos Falchion +4/+5 is awesome in the left hand. It can parry and it's a nice wake-up for backstab fishers that try to strafe behind you.


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    Re: Getting into PVP - Any beginners tips?

    Post by Lord of Ash on Thu May 30, 2013 2:05 am

    If anyone waves and you dont know them KILL them theyre either friendly, a troll, or really good

    If your in the forest and someone bows BACKSTAB the KILL them

    If you have to retreat in pvp dont show your back they will KILL you

    If your in a 2v1 NEVER let one behind you they will KILL you try to keep bothin your sight and if one gets to close and starts backstab fishing turn pivot swing catch them in a stunlock till your stamina is gone then hit em with a wrath to finish the job

    If your in a 2v1 and you need to retreat but you in a tight cluster WRATH then flee

    If you see someone with the crystal greatsword RUN theyre probaly modded

    If you dont like magic spammers learn vow of silence most people dont know its aura and end up being wide open for a backstab

    ALWAYS keep healing and stamina recovery consumables hotkeyed

    NEVER bow first in the burg if they bow buff your weapon but dont attack till their ready(your call really)

    If you invade in the forest with a cracked red eye orb do it atSIFS DOOR. youll appear on his brigde instead of the stairs

    If you go against long ranged weapons spears sythes etc use a SHORT QUICK and just charge in with your shield or weapon raised tank a hit if you have the poise then stun them use a light weapon cause they use hardly no stamina use it quick to stun before their next attack

    Keep your inventory neat like mine a clean inventory is a safe, happy,and reliable one if your fighting and your current tactics not working CHANGE IT

    If a darkmoon invades and starts to buff BACKSTAB them while they buff to even the odds(or dont if your a bad motha)

    If in a fight and your oppenent goes to heal take this oppurtunity and YOU HEAL or change to a more suitable weapon if all thats fine PUNISH THAT INSOLENT FOOL

    TRY not to taunt your oppenent unless they were jackasses(if they are take your pants of turn away and do a proper bow) but if it was a good fight bow this might help you later a friend request maybe, less a chance of hatemail, and they wont make it their lifes purpose to hunt you down and make you pay.

    NEVER EVER EVER EVER lose and send hate mail only a nube who doesnt play darksouls would do this. NUMBER 1 rule of DarkSouls THERE ARE NO RULES and to say otherwise just shows your inexperience.(Unless they were modders its just thereputic to say, "Suck it and die")

    Find a fighting style that SUITS YOU and make it evolve.

    Stay CALM in a pvp fight you get to exited or scared and your liable to roll of a cliff, leave yourself open and or die by the skin of your teeth, or just get massacred

    Also never throw away scrap junk put it in your box and when your in need of something BRING IT TO ME I LOVE TO TRADE


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    Re: Getting into PVP - Any beginners tips?

    Post by Spook 762 on Thu May 30, 2013 6:09 am

    There's been a lot of responses to this so I won't mention everyone by name... but thanks all happy

    Soooo are Darkmoons the anti-Christ in this game? Don't take chances and just backstab them?


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    Re: Getting into PVP - Any beginners tips?

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Thu May 30, 2013 6:15 am

    Darkmoons are more likely to be jerks because A) they are often invading to rank up their covenant rather than just for the fun of invading so will do everything they can to win and B) some of them erroneously believe that being guilty means you did something wrong and decide to act like a jerk to you because of it.


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    Post by Lord of Ash on Thu May 30, 2013 6:37 am

    Indeed they tend to invade down and mosttrolls go with dm blade but its darksouls what can you do but PREPARE TO DIE


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    Re: Getting into PVP - Any beginners tips?

    Post by Jansports on Thu May 30, 2013 10:58 am

    I prefer to be a darkmoon whenever possible, I just think blue phantoms look better than red phantoms.
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    Re: Getting into PVP - Any beginners tips?

    Post by SirArchmage on Thu May 30, 2013 11:55 am

    Dark moons will most likely have an extremely powerful buff, one of the best spells "Wrath of the Gods", and invade people that are at a lower level then them. They are also usually very minmaxed and will slaughter you outright. Dark wraiths however could be invading for any number of reasons, most likely just for the lols, so even if the darkwraithis ten times better then you they may let you back up and retry killing them. You never knew what to expect from a Dark wraith, but most Dark moons are similar.




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