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    A thought.

    Post by SirArchmage on Mon May 20, 2013 2:59 am

    Would you want to be intelligent? To think further ahead and faster then everyone, to be the one to answer the questions and solve the riddles, at the cost of the misfortune it brings? To live through the mental illnesses that it brings with it so that you may think as fast as a computer? Would you let yourself be tortured by the information you have that no one else seems to see, and let yourself feel loss all the stronger, so that you may impress your friends with your intellect? Would you be willing to not be close to anyone at all because no one can fully understand you, no one that you can let your guard down and not have to dumb down your words, so that you may become successful in every test? Would you let yourself see the flaws in everyone you meet, unwillingly hating everyone you meet just a little bit because of those flaws you see in them that seem so obnoxious and obvious to you, so that you could beat all your friends at chess?

    Would you wish to take on the burden of intelligence?

    Just a thought.


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    Re: A thought.

    Post by Dibsville on Mon May 20, 2013 3:02 am

    Yes, I would.


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    Re: A thought.

    Post by reim0027 on Mon May 20, 2013 3:04 am

    Double edged sword, my friend. It would be great if you were a top scientist surrounded by like or similar minds. Discovering the secrets of the universe. But. for the regular person, it would be a bane.

    I guess, I would rather be on the intelligent side, until you give more information about your living situation. I'd have to imagine that if I were so intelligent, I would be able to surround myself with like minds.


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    Re: A thought.

    Post by PlasticandRage on Mon May 20, 2013 3:16 am

    Unless I'm misunderstanding this, and you're asking if we'd like to actually be a computer, than you're leaving out something that's key. People don't work in black and white like that. Intelligence isn't necessarily synonymous with coldness, or superiority, or misunderstanding, or what have you. People also have the capacity for empathy and compassion. Things that prompt us to help people we feel don't have what we do. I think if someone was super intelligent, like the most intelligent person on the planet, they would also by definition have to be aware of those things.

    If you're asking if I would want to be intelligent but at the price of a superiority complex then no. I'd rather be a moron.


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    Re: A thought.

    Post by SirArchmage on Mon May 20, 2013 3:32 am

    PlasticandRage wrote:Unless I'm misunderstanding this, and you're asking if we'd like to actually be a computer, than you're leaving out something that's key. People don't work in black and white like that. Intelligence isn't necessarily synonymous with coldness, or superiority, or misunderstanding, or what have you. People also have the capacity for empathy and compassion. Things that prompt us to help people we feel don't have what we do. I think if someone was super intelligent, like the most intelligent person on the planet, they would also by definition have to be aware of those things.

    If you're asking if I would want to be intelligent but at the price of a superiority complex then no. I'd rather be a moron.
    This is partly based off of three friends that I have that all have some similar traits and have expressly complained to me about things of this nature. They are all intelligent, and it was interesting in how they worked similarly. One of them told me he couldn't help but think of everything like a plan, to conquer a person and gain their affection, and he hated that. He also told me that he couldn't trust anyone for this reason, that if he plots and schemes like this then others might do the same to him. Another told me how she hated that she could see the flaws in all her friends, how she hated being smart enough to analyze everyone she met so that she couldn't help but think less of them. And another, perhaps the more arrogant one of my friends, doesn't always like that she is smart because she wants to blithely drift by in life, not having so much concerns. But instead she devotes herself to study and art, feeling like she needs to do it and not waste her intellect.


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    Re: A thought.

    Post by SirArchmage on Mon May 20, 2013 3:39 am

    reim0027 wrote:Double edged sword, my friend. It would be great if you were a top scientist surrounded by like or similar minds. Discovering the secrets of the universe. But. for the regular person, it would be a bane.

    I guess, I would rather be on the intelligent side, until you give more information about your living situation. I'd have to imagine that if I were so intelligent, I would be able to surround myself with like minds.
    I myself live in a small town. One of the friends that this is based off of lives in Miami, another friend that this is based off of lives in a small Australian city. And the third friend that this is based off of lives roughly one mile away from me, so in the same city as I.


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    Re: A thought.

    Post by PlasticandRage on Mon May 20, 2013 3:42 am

    It sounds to me like intelligence isn't their problem.


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    Re: A thought.

    Post by Hue on Mon May 20, 2013 6:28 am

    If i had that, i would study art, languages, maths,psychology, anatomy, programming, and try to create something out of that and/or travel the world.
    I think i would enjoy life at least as much as i do now.


    To me, the only amount of knowledge that could possibly make life suck would be reading minds, not being able to be surprised by other persons, that would be horrible.
    Aside from that, i'd be happy to be the smartest human in the world


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    Re: A thought.

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Mon May 20, 2013 6:34 am

    Are you asking me if I want autism?


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    Re: A thought.

    Post by Hatsune Miku on Mon May 20, 2013 10:42 am

    Saturday-Saint wrote:Are you asking me if I want autism?
    Trust me. You don't want any form of autism.


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    Re: A thought.

    Post by PlasticandRage on Mon May 20, 2013 10:47 am

    Oh give it a chance


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    Re: A thought.

    Post by SirArchmage on Mon May 20, 2013 10:54 am

    Saturday-Saint wrote:Are you asking me if I want autism?
    Well, two of the people that this is based off of have autism, as well as myself, so I understand if it could come across like that. But no, not really.


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    Re: A thought.

    Post by Animaaal on Mon May 20, 2013 10:55 am

    No. I'll stick with common sense and blissful ignorance. Also, not all autistics are savants, common misconception. Look Skyward


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    Re: A thought.

    Post by GrinTwist on Mon May 20, 2013 10:55 am

    Maybe, but only if I one day become a supercomputer that has a mind of it's own and doesn't have a plug for a keyboard. Also, I already have the problem of picking out flaws in people's personalities and disliking them. I don't like it at all and I try on a daily basis to look at a person's likable traits. It's not exactly an easy thing to do either.


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    Re: A thought.

    Post by SirArchmage on Mon May 20, 2013 10:59 am

    Animaaal wrote:Also, not all autistics are savants, common misconception. Look Skyward
    Sad but true.


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    Re: A thought.

    Post by Serious_Much on Mon May 20, 2013 11:00 am

    I admittedly feel like intelligence is both a curse and a blessing, just as being more less so would be. I think really it just boils down to the phrase: "Ignorance is bliss" In the same way though, it depends what people want to be happy, some people are fine with much less than others- it's based off personal ideals truthfully


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    Re: A thought.

    Post by Animaaal on Mon May 20, 2013 11:03 am

    I'm fine not knowing that Soylent Green is the end goal. Shrug
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    Re: A thought.

    Post by Hue on Mon May 20, 2013 11:14 am

    I'd search for a way to make everyone this smart, that way there would be no outcasts, on both sides. Competitions would be boring as hell though, you'd always see the same, perfect, performances over and over.


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    Post by TheDarkPygmy on Mon May 20, 2013 11:19 am

    The number one problem with such a thing would be the overwhelming thoughts you have. I think it would be like that one "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" episode where she gets mind reading powers and starts losing her own mind.


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    Re: A thought.

    Post by Serious_Much on Mon May 20, 2013 11:25 am

    Hachouma wrote:I'd search for a way to make everyone this smart, that way there would be no outcasts, on both sides. Competitions would be boring as hell though, you'd always see the same, perfect, performances over and over.
    The problem with this is we need intellectual diversity to preserve the range of subjects, art and other things that the world possesses. It is different kinds of intelligence and wiring that mean people thing about and produce different forms of art, music, literature (admittedly with a nurtured element to it) that allows us to have the diversity we desire. Arguably, if we all had complete intellectual similarity, we would be incapable of creating the same range of things we can do now


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    Re: A thought.

    Post by Hue on Mon May 20, 2013 11:48 am

    Serious_Much wrote:if we all had complete intellectual similarity, we would be incapable of creating the same range of things we can do now
    Why? Why would we not all have an infinite range of creativity?


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    Re: A thought.

    Post by Serious_Much on Mon May 20, 2013 11:51 am

    Hachouma wrote:
    Serious_Much wrote:if we all had complete intellectual similarity, we would be incapable of creating the same range of things we can do now
    Why? Why would we not all have an infinite range of creativity?
    Because as a result of being wired to have the same intelligence, so too we place upon ourselves the same limits of creativity. An infinite range of creativity is also impossible- people always get drawn into niches of interest, which is affected by our intelligence and how we perceive things. As a result if we all had identical intelligence, our niches and therefore creativity would be identical in what we create (within reason)


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    Re: A thought.

    Post by Animaaal on Mon May 20, 2013 11:52 am

    The "perfect mind" would realize its the variations from "perfect beauty" that create the attractions.
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    Re: A thought.

    Post by Serious_Much on Mon May 20, 2013 12:10 pm

    I'd argue.. not so.

    You see, perfection is usually a golden mean between vices of excess and deficiency- aggressive/shy, Plain/exhibitionist, conservative/experimental.

    The perfect would have all of it's core values, ideas and so forth at the golden means of everything in life- that is how it is perfect, it simply has the 'ideal' values and thoughts.

    However, this poses an obvious problem- this perfect mind therefore would be unable to make sufficiently experimental art to provoke variation and progression as art does in our world. Not sufficiently exhibitionist to push musical boundaries.

    Without the variation outside of progression, variety (as is progression and development) of art, is philosophically impossible


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    Re: A thought.

    Post by SirArchmage on Mon May 20, 2013 1:17 pm

    Interesting responses. I need to put more questions like this on the forum at some point. If they ever cause arguments I'd be glad to stop but interesting hearing opinions from people that have more life experience then random people in my school. Also, I kind of agree with you Serious. A perfect person would be a dreadfully boring individual once you got to know them, wouldn't they?


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