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    Let's discuss a good Artorias' build?

    Post by Ichikuro on Thu May 16, 2013 12:16 pm

    Artorias is one of my favorites NPCs, and he's based on my favorite manga character (Guts from Berserk). So I feel like my next play-through will be based on him.

    I know that he's set is not the best. And he's sword is also "meh" as its requirements are high and distributed while damage only shines with high stats (and even higher SL).

    Armor:

    (for me these are a must, when I was looking for Artorias build many people were using none of the pieces of his armor, I don't see the point in making a cosplay build without using his armor) Well What is it

    Helm of Artorias
    Armor of Artorias
    Gauntlets of Artorias
    Leggings of Artorias

    Gear:

    Abyss Greatsword
    Greatsword of Artorias
    Curse Gsword of Artorias
    Greatshield of Artorias
    Wolf Ring

    Since he was one of Gwyn's 4 Knights I believe that he was capable of using miracles... so a Talisman wouldn't be bad either...

    Anyone interest on this? It's kinda hard to make a build like that work, mainly because it's hard to make it (requires many SLs) and not very effective...
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    Re: Let's discuss a good Artorias' build?

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Thu May 16, 2013 12:20 pm

    What SL are you aiming for? And please try and use https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/ helps us a lot.

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    Re: Let's discuss a good Artorias' build?

    Post by Ichikuro on Thu May 16, 2013 12:25 pm

    WhatDoesThePendantDo? wrote:What SL are you aiming for? And please try and use https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/ helps us a lot.

    So far: http://mmdks.com/2cbx

    I am sure that it has to be at least lvl 90 if you pretend to use a shield...

    I know that atm it's not good as it's working in progress...

    I play PC version, I guess most people cap around SL 100...
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    Re: Let's discuss a good Artorias' build?

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Thu May 16, 2013 12:33 pm

    It's a decent Arty but it still suffers from most the same problems all other Artys suffer from. :|

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    Re: Let's discuss a good Artorias' build?

    Post by Ichikuro on Thu May 16, 2013 12:35 pm

    WhatDoesThePendantDo? wrote:It's a decent Arty but it still suffers from most the same problems all other Artys suffer from. :|

    Which ones? I am bad seeing flaws. Maybe we can work in a solution for them?

    After void (cursed) Artorias: http://mmdks.com/2cc8 *edited


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    Re: Let's discuss a good Artorias' build?

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Thu May 16, 2013 12:47 pm

    The main flaw is the low life (especially on a SL 120) coupled with medium roll speed. You can get away with low life if you have optimal mobility, while, conversely you can get away with mid roll if you compensate with high life/defenses. When both are not optimal it can be problematic.

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    Re: Let's discuss a good Artorias' build?

    Post by LunarFog on Thu May 16, 2013 12:50 pm

    http://mmdks.com/2cc9 Artorias build with artistic liberties. (Replaced his sword with the black knight great sword for better stat placement)



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    Re: Let's discuss a good Artorias' build?

    Post by Ichikuro on Thu May 16, 2013 12:51 pm

    WhatDoesThePendantDo? wrote:The main flaw is the low life (especially on a SL 120) coupled with medium roll speed. You can get away with low life if you have optimal mobility, while, conversely you can get away with mid roll if you compensate with high life/defenses. When both are not optimal it can be problematic.

    what about now? http://mmdks.com/2cc8

    or maybe: http://mmdks.com/2cca
    High mobility, poise is probably useless then... What do you think? Should I change Wolf Ring?

    LunarFog wrote:http://mmdks.com/2cc9 Artorias build with artistic liberties. (Replaced his sword with the black knight great sword for better stat placement)

    Hm... I like that... but black knight drops never came for me :'(



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    Re: Let's discuss a good Artorias' build?

    Post by ResIsBestStat on Thu May 16, 2013 12:53 pm

    Abyss sword is best sword ask latitoast for more trufax
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    Re: Let's discuss a good Artorias' build?

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Thu May 16, 2013 12:54 pm

    I do like that one better, cara.

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    Re: Let's discuss a good Artorias' build?

    Post by LunarFog on Thu May 16, 2013 12:55 pm

    http://mmdks.com/2ccb - Midrolling greatshield version.

    If the black knight drops never came, you can go to the Kiln

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    Re: Let's discuss a good Artorias' build?

    Post by Ichikuro on Thu May 16, 2013 1:30 pm

    WhatDoesThePendantDo? wrote:I do like that one better, cara.

    Which one? big grin
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    Re: Let's discuss a good Artorias' build?

    Post by Ichikuro on Thu May 16, 2013 1:39 pm

    LunarFog wrote:http://mmdks.com/2ccb - Midrolling greatshield version.

    If the black knight drops never came, you can go to the Kiln


    This one also looks good, it would be perfect if had the flip animation silly
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    Re: Let's discuss a good Artorias' build?

    Post by LunarFog on Thu May 16, 2013 3:03 pm

    Ichikuro wrote:
    LunarFog wrote:http://mmdks.com/2ccb - Midrolling greatshield version.

    If the black knight drops never came, you can go to the Kiln


    This one also looks good, it would be perfect if had the flip animation silly

    You don't need a ninja flip if you have a greatshield.

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    Re: Let's discuss a good Artorias' build?

    Post by ICEFANG on Thu May 16, 2013 3:05 pm

    Don't use the true Greatsword, its terrible, just terrible in everyway.

    The shield is extremely heavy and thus hard to use effectively, it also requires a very high 34 which would be better as 30-30 rather than something like 34-18.

    Try making a cursed version and its a lot better, but still not amazing.
    http://mmdks.com/2cdw

    I would honestly say away from magic. I know its not a lot of investment, but its still such a limited build, maybe 1 cast of Force or something.


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    Re: Let's discuss a good Artorias' build?

    Post by billy_bayonet on Thu May 16, 2013 3:23 pm

    http://mmdks.com/2ce1 SL125 has alot of action in every PVP spot so this build should work, best you can get without going to SL200 http://mmdks.com/2ce4


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    Re: Let's discuss a good Artorias' build?

    Post by Ichikuro on Thu May 16, 2013 4:14 pm

    I guess I am going with this one first http://mmdks.com/2cer

    I am pretty sure that it's not optimal but Shrug
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    Re: Let's discuss a good Artorias' build?

    Post by billy_bayonet on Thu May 16, 2013 4:32 pm

    swap havels for FaP ring, as havels is not changing your roll speed


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    Re: Let's discuss a good Artorias' build?

    Post by Ichikuro on Thu May 16, 2013 4:58 pm

    billy_bayonet wrote:swap havels for FaP ring, as havels is not changing your roll speed

    I send the wrong one again :silent:

    This is the true one http://mmdks.com/2cff

    I hate using more then 40 Endurance... but since this build is more like a for the looks one...
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    Re: Let's discuss a good Artorias' build?

    Post by Latitoast on Thu May 16, 2013 7:01 pm

    As someone who's used all of Artorias' possible setups in PvP

    An uncorrupted Arty has the Greatshield. That's about it. His uncursed Greatsword's only attractive quality is the Bs across the board in scaling, and the Holy Modifier for PvE. The split damage makes the B scaling not really worth it, since it goes through two defenses, and the R2s suck. Using them almost always results in a sore backside.

    The Cursed is the same thing, albeit with only melee damage, C scaling across the board, and the ability to hit ghosts for PvE. Still not good, 2/10 would not use

    The Abyss Greatsword is the only sword out of the 3 I'd say is useable, and even then other greatswords can and will outclass you if your build is not good enough.

    I can say without a doubt you will want high Dex, Str, and Humanity. While you can outdamage popular greatswords like the Claymore in R1s, they will destroy you in R2s(AKA, the reason people use Claymores), something even the Abyss Sword cannot escape from, having only a useful 1H R2, and it's still pretty bad, only good for wake-up damage, seeing as how slow the charge-up is.

    Overall, Artorias suffers from Crappy R2 Syndrome, which is his main downfall. The damage Output is okay, but you will always have to rely on R1s, which is simply not enough in some cases. His shield is magnificent, and I love it(although you lose your parry abilities), but his swords really show their worth in PvE, not so much PvP. The Cursed Sword is probably the worst of the 3, since it has no good effects in PvP or PvE(just use a transient) while the Uncursed shows more promise in PvE due to it's very high holy modifier, but still falls short in PvP. The Abyss Greatsword is the best due to some nice humanity scaling, at least one useable R2 in the right scenario, and good enough damage output to be valuable in PvE, while still being okay in PvP. It's not bad, but it's easily outclassed by other weapons in it's own category.

    If you PvE strictly, he's not bad, if you PvP with him prepare to have a wonderful time trying to get him to work.


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    Re: Let's discuss a good Artorias' build?

    Post by StiffNipples on Thu May 16, 2013 9:55 pm

    I agree with Latitoast, I've done a fair bit of Arty PvP and a playthrough as him also.

    I prefer the Abyss Greatsword, especially in PvP. It's R2's are the most useable of the Artorias Greatswords, however they're still backstab magnets, just slightly less so than the other versions (seriously FROM please don't make boss weapons like this in DaS2).
    The 1HR2 is actually alright, but it's a real shame that it doesn't hit twice like a Halberds double swing (at least ime it never has). Honestly I was pretty let down by that.

    If you make an Abyss version of Artorias note that he does not have the aura of the Wolf Ring, this lets you get away with not using it in favour of using the Havel's + RoFaP combo for a more optimised build, however you do take a pretty big hit in the poise department.
    When I RP'd Arty I made an Abyss Version and used this build: http://mmdks.com/2cj1

    Note that if you want to take it to SL120 (I wouldn't go above this on PC unless you really want to host) increase DEX or Vit, don't bother with taking STR past 27 as two handing it will get you up to 40.
    Use Karmic when you start the fight to mimic Arty's powerup and explosion and when it runs out feel free to use Power Within to mimic his increased power after the power up. EDIT: This also makes people a little more hesitant to just wail on you due to the low poise/no shield set up.

    If you wish to make a pre-abyss version I would go something like this: http://mmdks.com/2cj5
    Unfortunately these builds aren't really interchangeable due to the limited stats and needing pretty harsh optimisation, but if you go pre-abyss you get very good poise and a shield, however I prefer the fast roll and Abyss sword and more HP even though it's lacking in a shield.


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    Re: Let's discuss a good Artorias' build?

    Post by Ichikuro on Fri May 17, 2013 10:44 am

    Thank you all, I need to say that I am a bit sad that Artorias gear is so outclassed and noneffective... I guess they made this for people who wants to go SL 200+

    But I'll try a Abyss Version and see how it goes...

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    Re: Let's discuss a good Artorias' build?

    Post by Nybbles on Fri May 17, 2013 11:58 am

    http://mmdks.com/2csx or http://mmdks.com/2csz

    i've used this for gravelording in the forest, had some measure of success with it as well. it's only slightly over leveled (130) but you can still invade and host at the 110 - 150 range or there abouts. the abyss sword is the easiest to use of the three, but i am able to use all of the artorias gear if i want to. the only issue is that you don't have allot of HP. i would have preferred to use the FaP ring instead of Havel's, but i would have needed 70 or so endurance to fast roll when not using the cleansing greatshield, so Havel's it is.
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    Re: Let's discuss a good Artorias' build?

    Post by ICEFANG on Fri May 17, 2013 12:57 pm

    I tried it at SL 148, and people with what is considered good way out class you. Each sword is terrible in different ways, only the abyss sword is moderately acceptable.


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    Post by Nybbles on Fri May 17, 2013 1:14 pm

    ICEFANG speaks the truth, the only reason to use an Arty build is for the style points or just because you can.

    the most disapointing thing though is that Artorias is the best/coolest character that wasn't even in the game (until the DLC anyway) yet his equipment is so weaksauce. makes me sadface.

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