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    Post by Zeta Prime on Sat May 11, 2013 11:00 pm

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    Hey guys im lookin for some advice on this build iv got going. I had heard that the sunlight straight sword has a slower swing speed than the longsworrd, is this true because if not than id definatly do that... oh and is there still a bunch of guys that play 120 or should i try to lower the lvl of the build?


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    Re: need some help

    Post by Dibsville on Sat May 11, 2013 11:02 pm

    Yes, the SLSS is one of the slowest straight swords if not the slowest. Stick with the Longsword if you don't want to be too slow.

    You need to min/max man! Put a Dark Hand in that empty slot for AFKers!


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    Re: need some help

    Post by User1 on Sat May 11, 2013 11:03 pm

    SL100 is where it's at. At least for me anyway.
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    Re: need some help

    Post by Zeta Prime on Sat May 11, 2013 11:04 pm

    sry whats min/max?? dark hand could do!! or i rock the small fist weapon for some fun!


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    Re: need some help

    Post by Dibsville on Sat May 11, 2013 11:05 pm

    Put a Dagger in the empty slot.
    Best weapon.


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    Re: need some help

    Post by Zeta Prime on Sat May 11, 2013 11:05 pm

    gottaa get a dagger wit bleeds


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    Re: need some help

    Post by User1 on Sat May 11, 2013 11:05 pm

    min/max = e.g. 0.0 weight left. Optimal weight and build capacity in terms of power, equipment and skills.
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    Re: need some help

    Post by Zeta Prime on Sat May 11, 2013 11:05 pm

    is playing at 120 still worth it?


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    Re: need some help

    Post by User1 on Sat May 11, 2013 11:06 pm

    Nope.
    It's dead for me.
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    Re: need some help

    Post by reim0027 on Sat May 11, 2013 11:07 pm

    Poliwrath wrote:sry whats min/max?? dark hand could do!! or i rock the small fist weapon for some fun!
    Min/max is a sacrifice. You sacrifice something to allow you to excel in another thing.

    Like a Mage will sacrifice vitality and endurance in order to have high dexterity and intelligence.

    At higher SL, there is a lot less min/maxing.


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    Re: need some help

    Post by Dibsville on Sat May 11, 2013 11:08 pm

    Ehh...


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    Dibsville wrote:I am a heavy Rapier user, and although you do make good points, the Dagger's speed makes up for it. Length isn't the point here, and even if it was, the Dagger shouldn't have problems with that. Unlike most weapons, the Dagger is fast enough that if you get right beside someone who is backpedaling, you can still hit them before they get far enough away.
    The Dagger's R2s are considerably better than any that I've experienced before, they're literally a faster version of a Straight Sword, with the exception of the 2H R2 which is unique and has long reach.

    While the Rapier can poke, the Dagger won't need to because it's fast enough to hit and recover to get away before the opponent has time to react, so poking isn't needed. It also has horizontal swings, so it can cause a backstab cancel, one thing a Rapier lacks.

    Although yes the parry and backstab damage is better, it won't matter because it still has high damage and if you don't kill the person, you can follow up with an R2 -> R1 combo which nets you an extra 300 damage compared to the Rapier which will only get about 200 damage on a follow-up as long as the person you're fighting isn't completely retarded.


    Honestly, it's a toss-up between which one is better. If I had to choose, I would prefer the Dagger because honestly this thing is extremely overpowered if you know what you're doing. While I love the Rapier, the Dagger has perks that it doesn't.

    Like I said about the Falchion, the Rapier only has two things over the Dagger: Reach and Criticals.

    Dibsville wrote:I have stunlocked lots of people who clearly have 40+ poise with the Dagger. Although yes, the Rapier may be more versatile than the Dagger, again, the Dagger has perks the Rapier doesn't.

    Just to give an example you can probably relate to from being a Rapier user yourself:
    If someone is spamming WoG, you can easily roll and punish them and still have time to roll through the next WoG. But there are times where it's very easy to mess up because lag comes into play. Being in the Forest, I fought a TON of WoG spammers, and I only got hit by one of them and that was because he wasn't completely retarded and knew how to throw off his casting time.

    In general, the Rapier outclasses the Dagger, but the Dagger is much more versatile in its attacks compared to the Rapier. It depends on the situation which one would be better, but just know that the Rapier is not better than the Dagger just because it has reach. That's like saying the Falchion is better than the PGS.




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    Re: need some help

    Post by Zeta Prime on Sat May 11, 2013 11:08 pm

    damn gotta find a way to get this build 100 thhen ( ._.)


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    Re: need some help

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    Re: need some help

    Post by Zeta Prime on Sat May 11, 2013 11:10 pm

    hmm do you thinkk the daggers crit will out do the longswords?


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    Post by Dibsville on Sat May 11, 2013 11:11 pm

    Yes, and even if it didn't the Dagger is just a faster version of the Longsword so you can use it for a finisher.


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    Post by Zeta Prime on Sat May 11, 2013 11:12 pm

    true... i just really wish for 40/40 D: i feel weak w/o it... all this talk about daggers is making me really interested


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    Post by Dibsville on Sat May 11, 2013 11:14 pm

    I only went with 24/40 instead of evening it out to 32/32 because the Longsword will receive the same damage boosts from Strenth and Dexterity but the Dagger will get more from Dexterity. 32/32 just brings the Dagger's AR down to 250 but keeps the Longsword's AR the same.


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    Re: need some help

    Post by Zeta Prime on Sat May 11, 2013 11:15 pm

    lkvklkjblkjklk
    so desperate for power D:


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    Re: need some help

    Post by Zeta Prime on Sat May 11, 2013 11:17 pm

    brought health to 37 and str up more... uhhh why 99 i don get it iv always done 100?


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    Re: need some help

    Post by SirArchmage on Sat May 11, 2013 11:22 pm

    I'd suggest toning down the strength or health slightly for two attunement slots to put in Great Combustion and Fire tempest. Great Combustion will finish off anything turtling, and you can definitely tank a hit while doing this. Also, if you up your Dex by 5 then you can stunlock with it. And with the fire tempest, if you are faced with gankers, this is a quick way to alleviate the problem. Also I suggest the Balder Side Sword. A bit more versatile and just a plain beautiful weapon.
    Also, seeing as this is most likely a dueling build from the Sl, I'd suggest 120. You will be at the same range as most others dueling. But at 100 you will be a bit under so it is mainly better for randomly invading.


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    Re: need some help

    Post by Zeta Prime on Sat May 11, 2013 11:25 pm

    dont need cheep fire parlor tricks!

    im almost sure lvl 100 became the one of the standard pvp lvls affter the dlc came out

    BSS is ugly and is for ******* not willing to use a real sword


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    Post by SirArchmage on Sat May 11, 2013 11:27 pm

    Poliwrath wrote:dont need cheep fire parlor tricks!

    im almost sure lvl became the one of the standard pvp lvls affter the dlc came out

    BSS is ugly and is for ******* not willing to use a real sword


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    Re: need some help

    Post by Zeta Prime on Sat May 11, 2013 11:28 pm

    sry D:

    still luv u ❤


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    Post by SirArchmage on Sat May 11, 2013 11:29 pm

    Poliwrath wrote:sry D:

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    Post by Dibsville on Sat May 11, 2013 11:29 pm

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