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    Does this Make Sense?

    Post by Tolvo on Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:08 am

    Alright, a quick question to those who know the proper numbers and mathematics I absolutely fail at. I am wearing full +5 Giants, going with a regular roll, and using Ring of Favour. I have forty vitality. I've invaded one guy five times that BS's me once, and instantly kills me. He is using some sort of Fire Upgraded Gargoyle Halberd, not Charcoal, Fire or possibly Chaos. Is this actually possible? Because it just doesn't make any sense to me, full health to nothing in one BS.
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    Re: Does this Make Sense?

    Post by bloodpixel on Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:14 am

    It can be easy to one shot a person with a strong weapon and the hornet ring.


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    Re: Does this Make Sense?

    Post by ErrJon6661 on Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:14 am

    Its possible if he's wearing the hornet ring I believe. A bs doubles the attack of a weapon, and the hornet ring adds an extra 50% damage onto a bs. A fully upgraded fire weapon usually does between 450 and 700 damage total, halbers are a bit heavier so I'm guessing it does 600ish damage. x2+50%=1500 damage. My numbers aren't accurate but this should give you an idea of about how much he's doing to you.


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    Re: Does this Make Sense?

    Post by Tolvo on Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:16 am

    I can't say I've ever been able to one shot anyone even with that ring, I guess I'll have to mess around with my 15+ Demon Axe and Hammer some more, maybe lower one and put it to an elemental path or something, it would make killing farmers in the Forest a lot easier if I can one shot them like that. That's pretty ridiculous that they can do more damage with that, than I can with 50 Str, a Resin, and a huge powerful weapon with a backstab.
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    Re: Does this Make Sense?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:36 am

    even a lightning estoc+ hornets ring bs will plow a good 1200 or so. if they used power within as well damn near any elemental weapon will destroy you with a bs. i'm at 1809 health and through my heavy armor a lightning zwiehander hornets ring bs is like 1750 or something stupid like that. thats actually the reason for my health being where it is. hornets ring or no, no unbuffed player can ohko me.


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    Re: Does this Make Sense?

    Post by Tolvo on Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:40 am

    Man, that is pretty ridiculous I have to say that so much damage is possible with a BS. Dodging a BS is pretty easy, but for those lag stabbers god damn, that's unbelievable the damage.
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    Re: Does this Make Sense?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:50 am

    Tolvo wrote:Man, that is pretty ridiculous I have to say that so much damage is possible with a BS. Dodging a BS is pretty easy, but for those lag stabbers god damn, that's unbelievable the damage.
    Indeed. i just got good at stuffing the attempts with a poke so i do the animation but take no damage. btw is your avatar Grand Admiral Thrawn?


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    Re: Does this Make Sense?

    Post by Tolvo on Fri Mar 02, 2012 3:53 am

    I didn't expect anyone to recognize him so fast, yes I'm a big fan of Thrawn, I own every book and game he appears in.

    My anti-BS is a Pivot Parry, doesn't always land but when it does, it's quite a good middle finger substitute I think.
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    Re: Does this Make Sense?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:09 am

    i'll have to try that, it never occured to me. wog works to but if its timed wrong they'll tag me anyways.

    I haven't read everything hes in but i read the heir to the empire series and i thought i remembered him being a major player there. been to long since i read any star wars books. starting to forget details.


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    Re: Does this Make Sense?

    Post by Tolvo on Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:11 am

    Heir to the Empire and the Entire Thrawn Trilogy, there is more like Outbound Flight. Good books, great character.

    I only carry three WoG's, so I like to use them really sparingly. However you can actually set up a BS by using force to stagger them, turn and BS. Another pivot manoeuvre.
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    Post by Forum Pirate on Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:21 am

    after i punish attempt 1 with wog they get warry and i bait/bluff with force and bs them if they get caught.


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    Re: Does this Make Sense?

    Post by lorenzo110 on Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:43 am

    Thats why I am so glad to be at 710 SL maxed out. Now it takes almost three backstabs with a buffed weapon to kill me. Even with the hornets ring on so they have to work a little harder for that kill. The best thing is to always keep them in front of you and if you have summoned someone to circle the invader. They always make the mistake of going for a back stab too soon which leaves them open for a return one should they land it against the person you summoned or you. Of course this only works if your HP is maxed out plus ring of favor. And also if your in the higher levels. Lower levels unfortunately makes this a one shot dead kill if they should land the BS. So lower levels should have wog ready and shield up and always keep them in front of you. Be ready to roll back and to the side when they run for you.
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    Re: Does this Make Sense?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:00 am

    Parries are actually even stronger. i was under the impression parries are ARx4 so lightning estoc+ power within + hornets ring= 2300 damage. replace estoc with zwiehander and its 5500. instantly fatal on both counts. with MoM and RoFaP you could survive the estoc if you had like 70 vit. i have a parry build just for this.


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    Re: Does this Make Sense?

    Post by ErrJon6661 on Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:30 am

    Tolvo wrote:

    My anti-BS is a Pivot Parry, doesn't always land but when it does, it's quite a good middle finger substitute I think.


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    Re: Does this Make Sense?

    Post by Gol on Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:22 am

    ErrJon6661 wrote:Its possible if he's wearing the hornet ring I believe. A bs doubles the attack of a weapon, and the hornet ring adds an extra 50% damage onto a bs. A fully upgraded fire weapon usually does between 450 and 700 damage total, halbers are a bit heavier so I'm guessing it does 600ish damage. x2+50%=1500 damage. My numbers aren't accurate but this should give you an idea of about how much he's doing to you.

    I don't think BS doubles the attack, I always thought it just ignores the defenses.
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    Re: Does this Make Sense?

    Post by Serious_Much on Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:53 am

    Wow, I've been one shotted many times by a Hornets ring heavy weapon, it sucks but not a lot you can do when you've got a lightning/chaos Zwei getting pounded into your back due to lag (mines bad because i have poor connection i admit) then nothing you can do but try to be more cautious..

    This pivot parry idea is genius! I've never been one to parry a lot in PvP.. don't think i've ever got a successful one, but that idea makes me consider it I must say.


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    Re: Does this Make Sense?

    Post by befowler on Fri Mar 02, 2012 12:07 pm

    Tolvo wrote:Alright, a quick question to those who know the proper numbers and mathematics I absolutely fail at. I am wearing full +5 Giants, going with a regular roll, and using Ring of Favour. I have forty vitality. I've invaded one guy five times that BS's me once, and instantly kills me. He is using some sort of Fire Upgraded Gargoyle Halberd, not Charcoal, Fire or possibly Chaos. Is this actually possible? Because it just doesn't make any sense to me, full health to nothing in one BS.

    Was he 2handing the halberd? I don't know why, but some of the scariest BSs I've seen are from people two handing a halberd (gargoyle or otherwise)


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