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    What weapon should i take for my spec?

    Post by Enterich on Sun May 05, 2013 1:11 pm

    Hello happy

    Actualy im wileding the +2 Gravelord
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    1handed with a shield, and im using the PC-Steam Version of the Game. Ive finished quelaag and im SL47.

    Maybe someone can give me some tipps&advices for my build? I mean what weapon should i upgrade with my titanite chunks ( theyr realy rare actualy ).
    I am between a lightning claymore and a lightning uchigatana, or should i take a good str scaling weapon and push str to 35-40+ ?

    My Stats are actualy: ( btw. im using Ring
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    25 Vitality ( will be raised to 30 , after 30 it isnt worth so much anymore )
    14 Attunement ( will be raised to 16 later, im using an +12 pyro flame actualy )
    22 Endurance
    24 Strength
    15 Dexterity
    12 Resistance
    10 Int
    8 Faith

    Thanks for any good advice, and sorry for my not perfect english happy
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    Re: What weapon should i take for my spec?

    Post by FireproofFlame on Sun May 05, 2013 1:32 pm

    I would recommend you getting at least 40 vitality,although some people choose to go as high as 50. I think you should also raise endurance to 40 as that's when diminishing returns(Not worth the stat) kick in. The gravelord sword has very mediocre scaling and as such is only effective for low levels. I would suggest choosing either a str/dex/quality build. As you have already invested in a pyro glove, I would recommend 45 dex for faster castings. Aim for SL 125 for PvP. Lightning weapons do not scale so I would only recommend them for low levels also.


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    Re: What weapon should i take for my spec?

    Post by Enterich on Sun May 05, 2013 2:39 pm

    thanks alot!

    i wont pvp, i just want to finish the normal game and MAYBE ng+ not more happy

    so its still better to focus on scaling weapons if im not pvping and doing ng++ +++ and so on?
    And which weapons are a "great" choice to upgrade to +15 or something like that?
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    Re: What weapon should i take for my spec?

    Post by FireproofFlame on Sun May 05, 2013 2:49 pm

    Glad to help, I would still recommend aiming for a good scaling weapon, ( A or B) and preferably one that an be buffed, as gold pine resin is effective against most enemies and bosses alike. I would stay away from Black Knight weapons as they cannot be buffed. If you are going for a str build I would recommend a Demon's Great Machete, which can be dropped from a Capra demon or bought off of Shiva. I think Zweihander's are way too overused and personally I rock a DGM. I would suggest the Balder Side(Swag) Sword for a dex build. All of these weapon's can be buffed and taken to + 15. Both pack enough punch to take you to NG++ at least. Stop at 40 str for DGM and 45 dex for BSS. The rest of your stats should be put into vitality and endurance, If you are using a light armored dex I would suggest using the Wolf ring + RoFaP or Havel's. Good luck with your build. !


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    Re: What weapon should i take for my spec?

    Post by Hue on Sun May 05, 2013 2:58 pm

    I can't tell you for sure about stats, but for weapons, i think the Black knight Sword and Gold Tracer are more than enough for PvE, and Zweihander for low end fastroll boss fights because of dat 10 weight, besides, you can buff it for (usually) around 1000 damage without any exterior boosts

    But on NG, i think your Gravelord Sword is enough for just about anything


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    Re: What weapon should i take for my spec?

    Post by FireproofFlame on Sun May 05, 2013 3:02 pm

    That may be true, but the Black knight Sword cannot be buffed. Not only that but the Black Knight weapons drop entirely on luck until the end of the game, and the Gold Tracer is only available in the DLC, which I do not think Enterich has.


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    Re: What weapon should i take for my spec?

    Post by Enterich on Sun May 05, 2013 4:08 pm

    ahhh so dexterity is decreasing the casttime of pyro spells?

    didnt known that so far

    also about the dlc:

    i was pretty sure im owning ANY dlc because of the steam prepare to die edition?!?!
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    Re: What weapon should i take for my spec?

    Post by FireproofFlame on Sun May 05, 2013 4:12 pm

    Yes, my mistake. If you own the prepare to die edition then you have access to the Artorias of the Abyss DLC. The gold tracer and dark silver tracer are obtained by either killing Ciaran or giving her the soul of Artorias.


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    Re: What weapon should i take for my spec?

    Post by Enterich on Sun May 05, 2013 5:15 pm

    ive watched this about the pyro casttime:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature&v=yHfPcu_B0nQ
    its realy interesting,

    but the question is:
    is the +15 bbs realy a good choice for a 45dex- 24str ( its a little bit to high maybe? i shouldve stopped at 10 str for the bbs i think sad ) build?
    and should i put ANYTHING into dex ( till 45. dex is reached ) after reaching 30 vit and 16 att?

    thanks guys happy realy nice to see ur helping me, dont want to ruin my char for ng+ or maybe ++
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    Re: What weapon should i take for my spec?

    Post by FireproofFlame on Sun May 05, 2013 5:26 pm

    If you can get your hands on a BSS the thrust attack alone makes them worth the 4 point stat investment. I suggest taking points away from endurance as with 40 endurance I can 1 hand r! swing the BSS around 13 times, although I always use the thrust attack in PvP. I also like the running R1, It's like the darksword, but better. 8)


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    Re: What weapon should i take for my spec?

    Post by Hue on Sun May 05, 2013 5:31 pm

    Do you plan to PvP?
    If not, you aren't forced to stop at any level, so you can't really screw up your char whatever you do.
    You'll most likely catch up later, because soul farming is a lot easier in NG+, and just about any build is viable in PvE (well, res builds are crap, but i'll take a wild guess and assume you already know that)


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    Re: What weapon should i take for my spec?

    Post by Enterich on Sun May 05, 2013 5:46 pm

    so the bbs is still viable with a way to much str?
    i got 24 , the sword needs 10 , thats 14 points, a lot sad

    by the way:

    whats the dex breakpoint for the +15 bbs geting better then my +3 gravelord sword?

    i think atleast 30-35???
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    Re: What weapon should i take for my spec?

    Post by FireproofFlame on Sun May 05, 2013 5:50 pm

    The balder side sword can outmatch the gravelord sword not only in scaled damage, ut also in speed and stamina consumption. Not to mention it's epic moveset. I would recommend you use a weapon that scaled with strength off hand eg: Claymore to make sure those 14 points were not wasted.


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    Re: What weapon should i take for my spec?

    Post by Dibsville on Sun May 05, 2013 9:09 pm

    Claymore is not a Strength weapon, it is a quality weapon. Man-Serpent Greatsword is a Strength weapon though.


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    Re: What weapon should i take for my spec?

    Post by FireproofFlame on Mon May 06, 2013 7:01 am

    I know the Claymore is a quality weapon, but Enterich wants to raise his dex for the Balder Side Sword if I recall correctly. As such he wold want an off hand quality weapon for only 24 strength.


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    Re: What weapon should i take for my spec?

    Post by Enterich on Mon May 06, 2013 7:52 am

    So u mean i should use a + 13 or maybe +15 claymore untill i got enough dex (40+) to use the bbs effectivly?
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    Re: What weapon should i take for my spec?

    Post by FireproofFlame on Mon May 06, 2013 7:57 am

    If I were you I would start farming for a BSS, it has very low stat requirements and is still quite effective with low stats. I would recommend you focus on solely leveling up your dex and around the 40 mark the sword will be amazing. You are also able to buff it, I use poison resin as it attacks extremely fast. I say to use a Claymore off hand as with 24 strength your build is going to be most likely a quality. Level strength to 27 if you want to be able to two hand most weapons in the game for variety.


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    Re: What weapon should i take for my spec?

    Post by Dibsville on Mon May 06, 2013 8:55 am

    By off-hand, do you mean in the left hand? Because a Greatsword is a bad choice for that. A Broadsword is a great choice because if he's going 24/40 then he'll get decent damage on it, and the Broadsword has extra stamina damage. On top of that, Straight Swords off-hand have one of the fastest recoveries in the game, and are definitely viable for duel-wielding purposes. If by off-hand you mean his secondary right-hand weapon, at 24/40, then yes, Claymore would be the best option.


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    Re: What weapon should i take for my spec?

    Post by Nybbles on Mon May 06, 2013 10:27 am

    Okay…So you might as well invest 4 more points into strength so that you get the equivalent of 40 strength for scaling purposes when two handing your weapon. Since you already have 24 strength, 28 is a good number to reach if you are plannng on pushing dexterity to 40. This will also open up a whole new class of weapon, the murakumo, which is very similar to the gravelord sword only it scales very nicely with dexterity. Pair it with a balder side sword and destroy everything in your path.

    For PVE, having 30 vitality with the ring of favor is fine. You don't really need more that this. If you do want to go higher, i would say either 37 (1500HP with RoFaP) or 50 (1800 with RoFaP) are good break points.

    As for endurance, just invest as much into it as you need to maintain the roll speed you are the most comfortable with. If you are okay with medium rolling, 30-37 should be good enough. All you are get for going over 40 endurance is more weight to carry a heavier burden. But, having higher endurance allows you to wear heavier armor which reduces the amount of damage you take (and poise) so it can be well worth the trouble to push endurance beyond 40 if you want to wear the best armor. Not getting hit is always the best option though.

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    Re: What weapon should i take for my spec?

    Post by User1 on Mon May 06, 2013 11:17 am

    Dibsville wrote: Straight Swords off-hand have the fastest recoveries in the game, and are definitely viable for duel-wielding purposes.

    This. Agreed with Dibs.

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    Re: What weapon should i take for my spec?

    Post by Enterich on Mon May 06, 2013 1:05 pm

    I think im going to push my SL at anor londo ( ive watched a youtube video to get 10.000 souls realy fast and going back to the fire ) so i got enough time to plan on it happy.

    So your sure the bbs is still a good choice for my 24 str build? So its not that much wasted when im going to get 40-45 dex?

    Btw what exactly do you mean with off handing? Using the claymore for specifyied enemys only as a second weapon? Its realy that useful to use the claymore as an "ace" vs some enemys?

    So why raise str to 28 when using the bbs sword ? Is there any good shield needi g that amount of str? Or ita because i can wield various 42 str weapons 2 handed??


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    Re: What weapon should i take for my spec?

    Post by User1 on Mon May 06, 2013 1:09 pm

    28 strength and 40 dex allows for quality build power, if you two hand a quality weapon, such as the Claymore.

    Off-handing is just using a weapon in your left hand.

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    Re: What weapon should i take for my spec?

    Post by Enterich on Mon May 06, 2013 1:34 pm

    But the claymore only needs 16 str, so why getti g 28?

    And why should i use a claymore as 2nd weapon when the bbs or bss is quite better then the claymore?

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    Re: What weapon should i take for my spec?

    Post by User1 on Mon May 06, 2013 1:44 pm

    28 strength = Ultimate power when Claymore is held with 2 hands. Also allows for effective use of the Murakumo, which is also good.

    For that question, I'm not really sure. If you mean off-hand, the bss is a good weapon, in both the main and off hand.
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    Re: What weapon should i take for my spec?

    Post by Ghadis_God on Mon May 06, 2013 2:33 pm

    I'd recommend to invest in Strength over Dex and pick a weapon like the Manserpent Greatsword +15 or Great Club +15 for PvE. You're already too far along using scaling stats to make an elemental weapon worth it, and scaling is stronger in the end anyway.

    EDIT: Also, why are you all pushing a new player into dual wielding? The forums have really got irresponsible with their advice lately and the older members don't care enough to correct them. Things like the bss are very good in PvP but not so good against bosses and the like in PvE, trust me. Str is the king in PvE.


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