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    Salvaging my Darkmoon

    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:06 pm

    So my current/ first pvp build is sitting at 120sl and he is okay for pvp. Full Brass +5, Washing Pole, etc.

    However I'm wondering if it was worth me investing in STR and ATT for the Washing Pole and 5 spell slots ( a total of ten points) 6 in str from 14. and 4 in Att from 16.

    Given my build is

    Vit-30 Att-20 End-30 Str-20 Dex-40 Res-base 12 Int-base 8 Fai-40

    would it be wiser to start again and build around the smaller katanas/ dex weapons and go for 50 faith for some really powerful miracles? Suggestions anyone.


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    Re: Salvaging my Darkmoon

    Post by Gol on Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:08 pm

    50 faith is useless.

    (Another darkmoon with katana Shrug )

    The build looks good, there's just no point in investing 20 points in att, 19 is enough for 5 slots.
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    Re: Salvaging my Darkmoon

    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:23 pm

    Yeah I know heaps of people use katanas but they do look awesome and I have an unhealthy fascination with Japanese arms.

    Okay even if the att is out I'd probably still invest up to 20 anyway because I hate obscure numbers.

    Also how is 50 Faith not better that 40? I assumed it was because of all the 50 faith miracles.

    And in terms of optimization is it better to have less str and att and more faith, end, or vit?


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    Re: Salvaging my Darkmoon

    Post by Maneater_Mildred on Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:05 pm

    If your looking at normal pvp then taking your DM to sl 130 is not a problem you will still be able to pvp fine in the kiln, PW, etc. If you want to FC then 120 is the max....


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    Re: Salvaging my Darkmoon

    Post by RANT on Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:29 pm

    too many spell slots, i wouldve gone with 3 which would make it 14 att.


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    Re: Salvaging my Darkmoon

    Post by RANT on Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:33 pm

    im optimizing my ddmb zwei build right now, its gonna have 48 faith only because its also gonna be a support priest and im gonna use the princess guard miracles, 27 str and not sure if i wanna leave dex at 8 or bring it up to 13 so i can use the murakumo and server.


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    Re: Salvaging my Darkmoon

    Post by Toastfacekillah on Thu Mar 01, 2012 8:34 pm

    Yeah - I would go with 3 or 4 Att slots and up Dex to 45 to take advantage of the faster offensive miracle cast times.


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    Re: Salvaging my Darkmoon

    Post by reim0027 on Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:26 pm

    I use 50 Faith for my DMB buff, and WoG. I can easily get the Vitality I want with 50 Faith. I've tried 40 and 45 Faith, and wasn't happy with it.


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    Re: Salvaging my Darkmoon

    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:44 am

    So I'm not sure exactly what you all mean but from what I gather I have too many spell slots 3-4 sufficing for pvp. But at the core of it all have I put my str too high or is it worth using a buffed Washin pole vs a smaller katana with greater miracle potency? Suggestions.


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    Re: Salvaging my Darkmoon

    Post by Gol on Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:14 am

    ViralEnsign_ wrote:Yeah I know heaps of people use katanas but they do look awesome and I have an unhealthy fascination with Japanese arms.

    Okay even if the att is out I'd probably still invest up to 20 anyway because I hate obscure numbers.

    Also how is 50 Faith not better that 40? I assumed it was because of all the 50 faith miracles.

    And in terms of optimization is it better to have less str and att and more faith, end, or vit?

    There's only one miracle who requires 50 faith and it's the sunlight spear. (And you need to be a sunbro to use it, it's not like the pther lightning spears.)
    It takes 2 slots, you have only 5 uses and honestly... except if your opponent doesn't move at all you'll never touch him, 40 faith is enough, I don't think the damages increases a lot passed 40.

    + Mildred > How do you know if everybody in FC is 120 ?
    They could be 130 and you'll never know, you can't see the other's SL.
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    Re: Salvaging my Darkmoon

    Post by reim0027 on Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:22 am

    One of the problem with Dex builds is the vitality ends up being low. This is especially true with weapons like the Washing Pole, which require higher strength. 30 Vit will get you killed quick, so you need to be careful.

    For dex builds, use as little strength as necessary to wield your weapon.

    As for Faith, I mainly use it for DMB. The difference in magic adjust from 40 faith to 50 faith is 226. That's enough for me to up it to 50. But, I play mainly with Str builds (which don't suffer from the vitality crunch). For a dex build, 40 Faith is very reasonable.

    So, to answer your question - You have put too much strength in. With that high of Att, you need to make sacrifices, or else your Vitality suffers.


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    Re: Salvaging my Darkmoon

    Post by Serious_Much on Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:32 am

    Viral, I say the main weakness of your build is vitality, End and too high Str..

    My suggestion would be lessening strength and using smaller weapon (buffs are more effective on faster weapons)

    Also you'll want Vit and End to be 35 minimum. Even then i wear Ring of favour at 35 end and vit so i have enough health and stamina.. I would suggest reducing faith to 40 and making room for the increase in Vit and End. then reducing the Str and putting it into something else.

    I don't know how many slots you want, but this is my Sun wielding faith build (50 faith just for Sun spear cus I'm just that awkward silly), note i use ring of favour hence my vit and end.
    35 vit
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    50 faith

    However with you you might see fit to reduce att or faith to increase you Vit and End to 40, maybe your dex to 45 (for casting times). Just whatever you feel is needed, though I say you want 40 Vit and 35 end minimum if you're not using ring of favour. I'd say for sure reduce your Str though for faster weapon.

    In terms of weapon, I'd push you to experiment with balder side sword or even a bandit's knife buffed. They are faster than a katana and can do impressive damage while buffed.

    Edit: also if you enjoy 2H your weapon, buffing a Curved sword such as falchion or scimitar can be effective as the 2H combo is very fast I find. The only issue with those weapons is their lack of reach though.

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    Re: Salvaging my Darkmoon

    Post by Forum Pirate on Fri Mar 02, 2012 11:31 am

    the difference in magic adjust between 40-50 faith is 35. with dmb this nets roughly 64 extra damage. i stopped at 40 faith because, depending on armor, it will take 3-5 hits to kill in either case with the only change hits/kill ratio being at rather precise heath/armor value and i'd prefer to be able to 2h server and really love the extra heath.


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    Re: Salvaging my Darkmoon

    Post by RANT on Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:24 pm

    the darkmoon talisman kicks in at 40 faith, i think its worth taking faith up to 50 to get the most of it.


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    Re: Salvaging my Darkmoon

    Post by Maneater_Mildred on Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:55 pm

    Gol wrote:Mildred > How do you know if everybody in FC is 120 ?
    They could be 130 and you'll never know, you can't see the other's SL.

    Your right i dont know(yet) but thats the rule from the founder. The whole point of FC is honor, fun and respect. If someone feels the need to cheat at FC i feel sorry for them. I guess from now on i will be checking how many souls i get when ppl die, anyone over 120 will be found out.


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    Re: Salvaging my Darkmoon

    Post by Forum Pirate on Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:09 pm

    see what you did? now if you're sl 118 you'll be hounded forever and ever. and god help any 109s. winking


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    Re: Salvaging my Darkmoon

    Post by Maneater_Mildred on Fri Mar 02, 2012 5:23 pm

    Forum Pirate wrote:see what you did? now if you're sl 118 you'll be hounded forever and ever. and god help any 109s. winking

    Lmao thats funny. Good news i think sl 110-120 is the rule.... So its only the ppl over 120 that should worry... And that evil 109 winking

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    Re: Salvaging my Darkmoon

    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Fri Mar 02, 2012 7:22 pm

    Serious and Rant made some good points there. Could anyone throw me the link to a stat builder thingy.


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    Re: Salvaging my Darkmoon

    Post by reim0027 on Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:38 pm

    I've uploaded a really good character builder, from itsthatguy. Here it is: mediafire.com ?56fbihohgjgu8vc

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    Re: Salvaging my Darkmoon

    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:13 am

    Thanks Reim. I'd love to raise your rep but I have no clue how or if I even can.

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    Re: Salvaging my Darkmoon

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    Re: Salvaging my Darkmoon

    Post by reim0027 on Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:35 am

    NP viral. Thanks for the props.


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    Re: Salvaging my Darkmoon

    Post by Gol on Sat Mar 03, 2012 8:59 am

    Maneater_Mildred wrote:
    Gol wrote:Mildred > How do you know if everybody in FC is 120 ?
    They could be 130 and you'll never know, you can't see the other's SL.

    Your right i dont know(yet) but thats the rule from the founder. The whole point of FC is honor, fun and respect. If someone feels the need to cheat at FC i feel sorry for them. I guess from now on i will be checking how many souls i get when ppl die, anyone over 120 will be found out.


    The "You get half the souls to next SL" is wrong.
    Yesterday I was summoned via red sign (so, the guy should be 110/130) and I got only 10 000 souls.
    I think you get half the souls the guy has on him.

    And honestly, SL don't change anthing passed 120 and I don't understand why 120, some builds (like the dex builds) are most effective than others at the same level.

    A lot of my toons are 120+ (130 max) because I needed some more point to be viable.

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