What upgrade for rapier?

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    What upgrade for rapier?

    Post by Deux89 on Sat May 04, 2013 4:38 am

    I'm making a a pure dex build with no faith or int. Trying to get as high damage as possible with backstabs and parrys. I've got my rapier at 10+ now and I wonder if I should make it 15+ normal or maybe lightning 5+?

    I'm quite new to pvp so some insight would be welcome!
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    Re: What upgrade for rapier?

    Post by raecor14 on Sat May 04, 2013 4:44 am

    +15, split AR on the lightning will lower your overall damage. if you ever have 40 ANYTHING it will be stronger than lightning +5


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    Re: What upgrade for rapier?

    Post by Paragon on Sat May 04, 2013 6:11 am

    I actually asked a very experienced friend about this earlier today. He was positive that the chaos rapier +5 had the best crit damage at 10 humanity. Im not sure either way but im gonna make one of each and then compare the crit damage on a variety of different enemy types and then compare the damage. Ill let you know the results


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    Re: What upgrade for rapier?

    Post by KrazykevS10 on Sat May 04, 2013 6:47 am

    I'd go normal if you have higher than 30 dexterity,otherwise chaos if you have the humanity.Elementals are only better if you want to stack health or endurance.I know you get reduced scaling after 40 dexterity,I'm not sure on this but it MAY be worth going a bit higher as backstabs multiply base damage so every 5 damage could become 15 or 20.


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    Re: What upgrade for rapier?

    Post by BrandBrandBrand on Sat May 04, 2013 8:56 am

    Luvz - here's a video doing just that. A comparison between dark silver tracer, rapier +15, and chaos rapier +5 (with 10 humanity). It does seem to show that chaos rapier riposte damage is highest.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_sro4D_8QY

    The really interesting thing about this video is that it shows that, against some enemies, the chaos rapier is best for riposte damage, but not best for backstab damage. If you want to see that, go towards the middle of the video, where he's testing against the silver knights.

    Nevertheless, OP, you might still want to go +15, because the non-critical damage will typically be better with this, which is still important, even for a rapier. And of course, it can be buffed with a resin, if you're into that sort of thing.
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    Re: What upgrade for rapier?

    Post by Dibsville on Sat May 04, 2013 11:12 am

    Why people prefer Lightning over Chaos I will never know.
    Chaos is almost always stronger than lightning, unless you're going PvE against something like the Four Kings.

    Believe it or not, Chaos Rapier +5 will actually do MORE damage than a Rapier +15 at 40 DEX. I'm a heavy Rapier user, so much so that I can actually use it as a weapon, the extra criticals are just a bonus.
    Anyway, I know for a fact that Chaos Rapier will in fact outdamage a Rapier +15, but just BARELY, and if you use a Resin, the Rapier +15 will be stronger. If you're going purely unbuffed, the Chaos Rapier will be stronger unless your enemy has extra fire defense, such as people wearing Black Iron or Gold-Hemmed Black. You're better off going with +15, but just remember that Chaos Rapier is there.


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    Re: What upgrade for rapier?

    Post by Deux89 on Sat May 04, 2013 11:17 am

    Thanks for all the anwsers! I think I'm going with 15+.
    As an after thought, what would be a good upgrade for my parrying dagger if any?
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    Re: What upgrade for rapier?

    Post by Dibsville on Sat May 04, 2013 11:18 am

    Chaos Parrying Dagger seems to be the best choice, even on a 40 DEX build. Unfortunately, like the Rapier, it's only better with a buff or against a high fire defense enemy, so your best choice is Chaos Parrying Dagger. You rarely hit with it anyway.


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    Re: What upgrade for rapier?

    Post by billy_bayonet on Sat May 04, 2013 12:31 pm

    It irks me that most people test on Enemies, if you really wanna see, Have a friend equip the Most fire defense and physical defense possible then test


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    Re: What upgrade for rapier?

    Post by Dibsville on Sat May 04, 2013 12:33 pm

    With even decent fire defense the +15 Rapier is better, I'm saying from experience when I constantly used a Rapier.


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    Re: What upgrade for rapier?

    Post by reim0027 on Sat May 04, 2013 4:50 pm

    If you have 40 dex, why not try both?


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    Re: What upgrade for rapier?

    Post by lordgodofhell on Sat May 04, 2013 6:59 pm

    OP has chosen +15. OP, you should seriously consider crystal path. It is easily the best path.

    But Lord, it breaks so easily. Well, get to farmin' chunks! Hell even slabs aren't all that rare now a days.

    Chaos rapier does mean crit damage but not better than the crystal rapier.


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