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    I'm going to come out and say something kind of controversial.

    Post by ErrJon6661 on Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:49 am

    Please keep discussion on this civil. This is controversial but I haven't seen a thread about this topic and I feel it could generate some interesting idea's.


    I am beginning to think that the bb glitch isn't a glitch. I think something like this wouldn't be overlooked, and if it was legitimately an oversight it would have been corrected by now. The fact that it has been left as a part of the game, even after p1.05 (though I'm not sure if it was an "issue" at that point) seems to suggest that it is an intended element of the game. I also think that if some of the more lore savvy individuals were to search, they could find reasoning for it within the game.
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    Post by WyrmHero on Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:03 am

    I think its a game breaking glitch for the noobs. They cant have fair multiplayer matches because so many people use this to grief them. I use it for fast level my new builds though happy We at the archives are trying to do something with the covenants. You know that the BB glitch transfers your past covenant -1 rank. If I were Darkwraith +2, do BB, the join the Darkwraiths in my new toon Ill be Darkwraith +1. I even get the discount to level it again to +2. Maybe it has something to do with the covenants.


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    Post by bloodpixel on Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:03 am

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    Post by ErrJon6661 on Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:06 am

    Its not exactly "game breaking" I mean assuming you started this game with no knowledge of how to play you got slaughtered your first few invasions. Now they just have the mask of the child and a lightning bandits knife hahahaha.


    Bb-ing also transfers sin. Its basically like deleveling a character.


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    Post by lextune on Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:12 am

    They not only did not fix it in the last patch; they made it faster and easier by making the undead merchant at the burg sell the box.


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    Post by Tolvo on Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:30 am

    I don't know if it is full on intended, but I do think it is something they might see as belonging to a grey area, so maybe they don't really know what to do about it. It makes a lot of useful things less tedious, as a guy that loves to test out different armors and builds and different tricks to try and find secrets (For naught) I do use it. Then there are the griefers that use it, at the same time those griefers would probably just stay a low level and go through the game. It would slow them, a tiny bit, but no matter what you'd see level 1's with Mask's of the Father, Elite Knight's Upgraded to Max, with Lightning Daggers.
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    Post by reim0027 on Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:08 am

    I've always wondered that too. They didn't patch it, and as lextune said, it was made even easier. So it is suspicious.


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    Post by Serious_Much on Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:12 am

    I noticed this when we brought it up on the old forums Errjon, I can't remember why but i think it was dismissed by Fex or Emergence..

    However I still think that maybe it should be explored. Though until a new patch comes out (if one does) we will not known if the BB 'glitch' is intended or not by whether it is left in.

    If at that stage it is still left in, I would say that it should be explored to the fullest by our lore hunters.

    However, until that happens to confirm our idea that it is intended, then I say it's better to leave it just classed as a glitch that has changed to the shape and pretty much ruined online in the burg and parish (in my view anyway)


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    Post by befowler on Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:17 am

    As I said in the old forum, I've also always found it highly suspicious. It seems to fit some of the lore well, and it operates so neatly you just have to wonder. You have an item called a "bottomless box" that now can be purchased right at the start of the game, in a world where the passage of time is confused, that basically "remembers" key aspects of the prior character like their covenant rank and even their sin. For example, if you were a Sunbro in a past life, in your new life you can rejoin immediately without having to build up faith or coop sessions again. At the same time, you can't escape your past misdeeds, and there is a booming industry of low level DMBs punishing bb sinners in the burg/parish for that very reason.

    For a while, I thought the bb was exploiting what was supposed to be code that handled the NG -> NG+ transition to keep your stuff. But now I don't think so, because with the bb glitch you keep a lot of things (like the Artorias ring) that you'd lose if you went NG+, while also losing things (spells) that I think you keep at NG+. As we know, sin is also not absolved, as it is in NG+. So it does seem to be a parallel process, making it even more suspicious.


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    Post by Akatik on Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:31 am

    It's an oversight. There are unforeseen consequences from copying your characters. I've seen a new character start the game cursed because the guy that was copied was cursed at the time. Not to mention the unknown sin/covenant effects.


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    Post by zRegulas9z on Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:43 am

    It seems odd that they would knowlingly keep something in the game or put it there deliberately when theyve strived to make this game as hard as they could, i mean they nerfed their online guide/walkthrough because it was too helpfull..

    On the note about not finding this in testing, i doubt they would have made 20 characters on one account whilst testing only need few slots that you can delete once finished with something and start fresh..?

    I've always thought glitches in games were something developers put in as shortcuts when testing the game to make things quicker and easier, probably completely untrue just a silly superstition lol.

    This is interesting though, i would like to know how the lore would link this as well, i am a fan of lore and storys in games but i by no means have complete understanding of all the in and outs..
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    Post by Akatik on Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:46 am

    Oh great, now I'm considering doing this again.


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    Post by djgq42 on Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:05 pm

    Akatik wrote:Oh great, now I'm considering doing this again.

    me as well. so much for bb glitch rehab!
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    Post by Wade_Wilson on Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:08 pm

    I always go to Osawld in the bell tower before interacting with npcs or covenants. Absolving sins + abandon covenant fixes the glitches related to the bb.


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    Post by Yesuurd on Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:18 pm

    I am kinda biased on this one, don't know what to think mostly...I mean it's a hassle to make many toons for pvp and have to get all the crap again and again but then again you can't bb glitch gaining SL, the real crap comes from the griefers using this on poor noobs, that is just mean and serves no purpose since you obviously just want to stay lo lvl and beat on them, it's not even viable to gain souls or anything.

    So to summarize it's all about it's use, one can do it and get to say 120sl easier with the gear and have that toon for pvp or whatever whithout having invaded anyone in low sl.


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    Post by djgq42 on Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:24 pm

    Yesuurd wrote:I am kinda biased on this one, don't know what to think mostly...I mean it's a hassle to make many toons for pvp and have to get all the crap again and again but then again you can't bb glitch gaining SL, the real crap comes from the griefers using this on poor noobs, that is just mean and serves no purpose since you obviously just want to stay lo lvl and beat on them, it's not even viable to gain souls or anything.

    So to summarize it's all about it's use, one can do it and get to say 120sl easier with the gear and have that toon for pvp or whatever whithout having invaded anyone in low sl.

    yeah i've wondered about that. you gain next to no souls and get 1 humanity? maybe it is an ego boost for the griefer (after all they almost always taunt after 1- shotting you). well, we all deal with our insecurities in different ways.:|
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    Post by Akatik on Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:26 pm

    djgq42 wrote:
    Akatik wrote:Oh great, now I'm considering doing this again.

    me as well. so much for bb glitch rehab!

    It's purely for convenience. I despise farming, especially now that I know just about everything in the game.


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    Post by Gol on Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:30 pm

    I use it.
    That way I don't have to do something again and again and again, I just have to reach SL 120.

    In DeS everybody used the dupe glitch and in terms of "game-breaking" it was worst, depends on why you use it.
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    Post by djgq42 on Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:36 pm

    Akatik wrote:
    djgq42 wrote:
    Akatik wrote:Oh great, now I'm considering doing this again.

    me as well. so much for bb glitch rehab!

    It's purely for convenience. I despise farming, especially now that I know just about everything in the game.

    i agree with that as well. i don't invade at all, it is strictly for pve. It also gives me a chance to test out different weapons and armor.
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    Post by Serious_Much on Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:37 pm

    Okay people get back on topic, it's not a discussion about the BB glitch but instead about whether people think it is intentionally put in by the devs and if it holds the key to any secrets left in the game.

    whaddya think guys? big grin


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    Post by Yesuurd on Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:44 pm

    Serious_Much wrote:Okay people get back on topic, it's not a discussion about the BB glitch but instead about whether people think it is intentionally put in by the devs and if it holds the key to any secrets left in the game.

    whaddya think guys? big grin

    hahaha , damn serious you are like the thread sentinel of derrailements,
    back to the original topic I think we are all just guessing and it's true
    the only way to find out would be either to actually go to from and
    get a response or wait for a patch.


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    Post by RANT on Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:47 pm

    im pretty sure its a glitch, why would you have to load the character before making a new one? it makes no sense. there's still alot of stuff that no one knows about but bbb glitch its just that, a glitch. anyway, does anyone know what the diff coins you get throughout the game are for?


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    Post by Serious_Much on Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:49 pm

    lol usually i cause derailing so i might as well make up for it in a thread that's interesting silly

    I think we should wait for a patch, and to be fair i dont think from will tell us anything if we ask. So better to wait and see if the next patch (if there is one) condones or supports it.


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    Post by Domhnall on Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:14 pm

    I don't wan't to break any rules saying how to do the glitch or anything, but really? They must have the single worst testing squad out there if no one caught that. It's so easy to do, and to do it is such a casual action, I'm surprised most people don't just figure it out on accident. I think it's intended, but like SeriousMuch said, gotta wait till the next patch to find out.


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    Post by Zechk on Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:19 pm

    I doubt it's intended, but that's just my 2cents.


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