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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by Animaaal on Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:37 pm

    Backstabbing a bow is just wrong.
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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by steveswede on Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:12 pm

    Tolvo wrote:And that section was discussing player interaction in regards to people being rude, and by definition a taunt is meant to provoke or hurt another person, thus it is intentionally harmful. If it were like some other RPG's where taunts cause enemies to target you, or some fighting games where it gives you back health, then I could say people taunt for various reasons. As it stands though taunting exists only for the interaction between players.

    Anything is game regarding taunts, for an article with a title that says "Play How You Want" isn't really following it's motto.

    Messages aren't part of the game so that's understandable but roll playing an @sshole invader isn't against FromSoft's rules, in fact I would say roll playing an @sshole was an intended mechanic. The "What is it" taunt has no positive context to it, it is there purely to intimidate players.

    Also I like to point out that no one is responsible for other people's feelings, people themselves are and are responsible to grow thinker skin for themselves. There's a fine line between banter and bullying but so many people think they are the same thing when they're not.
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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by Tolvo on Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:21 pm

    The thing is banter is usually reserved for people you know, if you try to banter with random people you don't know it can end up having a variety of results.

    I never said you couldn't caunt, I was merely talking about rude behavior. People can taunt if they want but just understand doing so to a random person will generally be taken as rude since that is the intent of a taunt. If you are trying to roll-play a Dark Wraith that kills people and taunts them go ahead. Just understand people can get bothered by that.

    It kind of goes off the idea, "Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house."

    If you want to be a jerk to people for roll-play purposes, or just because you like to go ahead. However when people react negatively to that behavior understand that is how your behavior is being taken.
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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by steveswede on Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:51 pm

    This is what I mean that no one is responsible for not hurting people's feelings. People need to keep in mind that if a game allows for that attitude, you should prepare to armour yourself if you're sensitive to it.

    Growing thicker skin is a great life lesson that everyone should learn, even in a video game. There are things that I have learn to tolerate and it's made me a better person. Of course putting up with rude people in games isn't nice but it's more constructive to tolerate it that to let them know you took their bait as I'm sure most who do it love to rage people.
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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by Tolvo on Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:54 pm

    And as I mentioned in my original post, try not to read too far into the actions of other players outside of an arranged duel.
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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by Emergence on Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:29 pm

    A lot of the issues we run into over topics that get out of hand are not so much the fact that differences exist, but the desire to impose those differences on others. Regardless of how we approach the game and it's mechanics, we must make room for other perspectives and approaches. For example, one thing that has worked fabulously in the forum FC is having no surface rules and allowing duelists to match make themselves with others who want to approach the fight the same way as them. However, I always implore people to expose themselves to as many different approaches as possible. Sometimes a glove fits that you would never expect to. Personally I may feel like a straight honor duel, one buff, bow no bs in the morning, then a gank bust in afternoon, and a ninja flip spear fest at night. It's the reason I love participating in all different types of formatted events, because variety is fun and is the spice of life.

    And if something doesn't taste good? Wish good will to those who enjoy that dish and go on and enjoy the dishes you enjoy with the fellowship of others who do as well.


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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by Tolvo on Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:53 pm

    That's basically what I said, but more well thought out.

    That's my shtick! silly

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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by Marino. on Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:52 pm

    I don't think anyone here will disagree with you on this one, Tolvo .

    Player just get frustrated when they don't have fun .
    For example honour dudes get frustrated when getting backstabed while bowing while Gankers get frustrated when they're Hornet OHKO BSed and so on.

    I do think some people look too deeply into the actions of the other Player and those people would also act that way if they would play a board game.
    My Cousin does it all the time, it's hilarious to see him rage silly .

    Don't judge me .
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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by WandererReece on Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:02 pm

    Tolvo wrote: you don't decide how other people enjoy themselves.

    Does this mean we can't tell people to not play online while hacking?


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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by User1 on Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:03 pm

    Hey, don't judge hackers. silly
    Some of them can be helpful, including yours truly. big grin
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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by WandererReece on Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:29 pm

    ^ In the spirit of things I'll just limit my self to one response, 2 including my previous one.

    Stuff done by hacking was not intended to be part of the game. This is why they can only be done by manipulating the games code so it's not in it's origional state. This is like cheating. If you cheat in a sport, then you get suspended. If you cheat in a casino, then you get thrown out. This is because cheating gives you an advantage noone else has, and that makes it unfair. I shouldn't have to take a crash course in programing just to have a chance of wining.

    Some of the stuff done by hacking isn't too bad. Giving yourself some free upgraded weapons that exist in the game doesn't give you a big advantage depending on the weapon and your soul level. However, giving yourself infinate health and stamina makes you unbeatable. This is worse, but your mortal opponents can just block you.

    However, there is a lot of stuff that's just wrong. Killing your opponent's blacksmith is horrible. This will permanently affect their game unless they enter a second playthrough. How would you fell if you could no longer upgrade weapons no matter what you do? Yes, you could trade with other people, but we all know it's a hassile. You may have to wait as long as 1 hour, and you'll get invaded a couple times.

    Also, killing Gwyn to force your opponent in their next playthrough is also bad. They wouldn't be able to kindle fires or buy and upgrade stuff. Yes, they can do this in their next playthrough, but it will take longer because they have to spend time finding embers and unlocking blacksmiths all over again. How would you feel if you were suddenly forced into your next playthrough before you finished doing everything you wanted to do?

    Red phantoms hackers are not the only bad hackers. The white ones are also bad. They can one shot every enemy, including bosses. Someone here posted he summoned help for Manus just to see Manus get one shotted. He felt bad because he was cheated out of a boss fight. Yes, we can place our white signs to fight the boss again, but we shouldn't have to wait a few minutes to get summoned just to fight him.

    Tolvo posted, "Don't tell people how to play," but by hacking you are telling people how to play. When you kill their blacksmith you are telling them to not upgrade weapons. When you kill their Gwyn you are telling them to enter their next playthrough. When you make yourself invinsible you are telling them to give up and die. When you one shot the boss you're telling them to not fight it. The only diffrence is you are also forcing them to listen.


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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by Kirk-Barb on Mon Apr 29, 2013 12:12 pm

    I agree with not passing judgement upon another player for his or her playing style. We are all different and having fun in a game is very subjective. If I'm not having fun because an area has a play style not to my liking, I'll go to a different area. If a specific player is the problem, then I'll block the player. If I can't find any area that's fun to play in, then it's time for me to quit the game and go onto something else.

    Complaining, sending hatemail, or getting angry at the other guy isn't worth it.... unless, that is what passes for fun for you. happy
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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by grossemesser on Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:52 pm

    What it is, is, is it is what it is and we for the most part are what it ain't. More specifically I tend to agree with the original post.
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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by Forum Pirate on Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:55 pm

    I do believe I've made a point to say roughly this at every given chance.

    Hopefully it will finally catch on, there is still a lot of irritating and shallow judgement thrown around by people here (and irl for that matter) based on really stupid things.


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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by Tolvo on Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:58 pm

    Maybe I should change the original post to say, "A lot of people, and Forum Pirate." silly
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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by skarekrow13 on Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:28 pm

    You should. I think we've seen Pirate take a lot of heat for this opinion before.

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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by Forum Pirate on Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:34 pm

    lol.

    I'll add:

    Perspective is everything, from the right point of view anything is good or bad. Its not my place to pass judgement on another without seeing the world from the perspective of said person, which borders on impossible even for shrinks, and judging them/it (it being an act) from my perspective is futile and ignorant as I'm very obviously biased towards my own philosophical views.

    Now I'm not perfect about reserving judgement, but I make a concious effort. Heat doesn't bother me much. I'm ok being told off for trying to help. At least I made the effort.


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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by skarekrow13 on Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:39 pm

    ^ That is why I like the movie Hero so much......

    No derail no derail no derail

    I said it three times so it must be fact.


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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by Forum Pirate on Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:53 pm

    Never seen it. Its the jet li movie right? I don't see how its relivant, but then I only read a summary.


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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by skarekrow13 on Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:59 pm

    A summary wouldn't cut it for sure, unless it's my summary. In a nutshell, it's a short storyline made movie length because they show it to you several times. Each time is a different version of the same events and the "hero" is different in each telling not because the events are actually different but because of the perspective changes.

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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by Forum Pirate on Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:11 pm

    Ah, then that would illustrate my point well.

    The solution, of course being to seek to understand the differing view, and accept that the differing view is just as correct as your own from their perspective, unless you can objectively prove your view to be correct (unlikely at best.)

    As this has no inherent impact on your point of view, it allows you to retain whatever perspective you wish, and even actively work against the perspective and actions of others with whom you disagree, without judging them or their perspectives.

    The only views I really tear at are self defeating views like "truth is impossible." Well if truth is impossible, then "truth is impossible" would be a truth, meaning you're wrong within your own framework.


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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by jerrmy12 on Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:33 am

    Pilgrim34 wrote:At the end of the day, whilst there are undoubtedly some tactics that might be questionable or objectionable, you might as well just get over it and try and find a way to counter your opponents. If I die against such an opponent, something which has happened many times, I take it on the chin and move on and try and learn something from the way I died.

    I really don't understand hatemail though. Sure, you might be angry about the tactics someone's used against you or whatever but nobody is forcing you to write abusive messages to anyone, that's an individual decision whatever the circumstances. I agree with Much's point about the anonymity of the internet unfortunately making it easier to be abusive. I used to get lots of abusive messages during my days playing JKA and in the end I often used to say to people nobody is forcing you to play this game, why don't you just quit if it makes you so angry!
    because backstabbing, spam, etc=easy win and takes no skill....so ya

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