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    Play How You Want

    Post by Tolvo on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:00 pm

    "Play how you want"-A lot of People

    I'd like to talk a bit about something I see on this forum.

    I've noticed often people like to stereotype those who are different and try to say their way of playing is supreme, while perhaps innocently meant in cases or merely said as a passion of the moment thing I'd like to talk a little bit about something I'd like people to remember.

    This is a game and you and your fellow players are separate people. You decide how you want to play, you don't decide how other people enjoy themselves.

    Don't demonize people for playing in a way that they enjoy. If people like to fight without armor and use a buffed Broken Sword let them have fun doing so. If they like to fight without lock on using a bow don't tell them that they aren't enjoying the game fully since they aren't playing in the way you find most fun.

    On the flip side, don't demonize people for trying to win. In pre-arranged duels there are rules set if they are set. Anything not spoken about in those rules is free game. If people like to play the game in a competitive way let them, it's how they enjoy the game and what makes the experience for them.

    Don't be a **** to people. This is a phrase which causes some confusion among people but personally I view being a **** as doing something intentionally to harm the player. Simply beating someone that has a fragile ego isn't intentionally harming them, taunting afterwards and sending them a nasty message is intent to upset. Using a tactic that is frowned upon? That's your choice, just be ready for people to consider it rude when perhaps to you it doesn't have that effect. Fighting someone in a non-arranged fight? Don't get bothered by them not personally knowing your tastes in regards to PvP, what they are doing is probably just however they play so try not to read too far into things.

    Try to play with people who have similar interests. Want to get better at the game and prove how good you are, want to simply have difficult fights? Play with people who play competitively. Want to just mess around and have fun, maybe do a bit of cosplay? Play with people who just want to mess around or play the way you do. Don't try to force your playstyle onto other people.

    We may gauge skill in different ways, try to understand that. Personally I love parrying and spacing, I base my view of a player often off of how well they can space and predict their opponent. To others, whoever wins is the most skilled, to some whoever is the most skilled is who can roll with thorn armor and get a kill. We all view things in different ways and remember that your view won't be shared by everyone.

    When you feel that your playstyle is being challenged don't try to stereotype another playstyle to make it seem easy to mock. "Oh they're just try hards." "Oh they're just casuals." Remember, we're all players. We're equal and no one is better than the other as humans.

    Rant/Old Man Ramble Over.


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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:09 pm

    Said it all right there, TolvoMan.

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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:10 pm

    Some people like to BS me while I bow to them. Why are you promoting that people BS people who are bowing? IMO just because somebody wants to play a certain way doesn't mean that it is okay for them to do that. Here are the rules to playing that I think every reasonable person can agree to:

    -Wait until the other guy is ready to attack.
    -No healing items.
    -Don't use cheap tactics.

    If you can't agree to these three rules then you are not a reasonable person and IMO shouldn't be given free rain to play however you like.


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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by DemonOfFate on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:10 pm

    Amen to that, Tolvo. Hurrah


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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by Carphil on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:11 pm

    Are you actually leaving Tolvo?


    About OP, its been some time since I check PVP section, but this looks similar to what it used to be one year ago, it just seems to be happening more often

    Perhaps because now a lot of people joined the game and every one of them have different opinions, dunno

    I agree on this:

    On the flip side, don't demonize people for trying to win. In pre-arranged duels there are rules set if they are set. Anything not spoken about in those rules is free game. If people like to play the game in a competitive way let them, it's how they enjoy the game and what makes the experience for them.


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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by Tolvo on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:12 pm

    Saint your avatar is making it really hard to tell if you are joking or not. It's not the words in it either, it's those crossed arms I think.
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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by reim0027 on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:13 pm

    I agree with you almost 100% I will demonize those who purposely seek out to ruin other's games (in my subjective opinion about what ruining a game is).


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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by DemonOfFate on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:13 pm

    It's everyone's choice to play how they want, they bought the game, they can play it how they wish. Everyone's opinion of fun is quite diverse, those people wouldn't do what they do if they didn't have fun. You can't enforce rules on someone, just as they can't force you to backstab someone who is bowing.


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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:13 pm

    @Saint - I would agree with that, but #3 is subject to interpretation. Barring the obvious what one considers "cheap" may be totally a-Ok to someone else. For example: I hate WoG but for many people it is an integral part of many of their builds. Are people being cheap by using WoG against me even though I personally consider it an unsavory tactic?

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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by Tolvo on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:16 pm

    I actually think we shouldn't demonize the people, but demonize the act. I remember back in the day I used to say horrible things about gankers, but truthfully I just hate that ganking exists. Sometimes gankers are **** and sometimes you can meet them outside the forest. We even have gankers on the forum that are just fine people. People do things for various reasons, I sort of view it like criminals in the sense that people do criminal things for various reasons. Not all criminals are good or bad people, and they don't all repeat criminal acts. Sometimes they can be a lot better than people who haven't done criminal acts.

    People may do something **** as a spur of the moment, they might just always be that way. All I can say is the **** act is something I don't like.
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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by reim0027 on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:16 pm

    Tolvo wrote:I actually think we shouldn't demonize the people, but demonize the act.
    Point taken. I agree.


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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:17 pm

    I think it's also how he's looking down his (non-existent) nose at somebody and has the Super Saiyan aura.

    Yes, I was joking. On the flip side I actually have no problem with people playing however they want, even if they're just trying to be a massive ****. Hell, I bought Demon's Souls in part because I heard that I could be a jerk to strangers on the internet.


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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by Rynn on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:17 pm

    Saturday-Saint wrote:Some people like to BS me while I bow to them. Why are you promoting that people BS people who are bowing? IMO just because somebody wants to play a certain way doesn't mean that it is okay for them to do that. Here are the rules to playing that I think every reasonable person can agree to:

    -Wait until the other guy is ready to attack.
    -No healing items.
    -Don't use cheap tactics.


    If you can't agree to these three rules then you are not a reasonable person and IMO shouldn't be given free rain to play however you like.
    This doesn't bother me, actually.
    Hacking, Ganking, disconnecting from the fight, and Backstabbing someone while they bow bothers me, and I think you're an incredibly rude player that shouldn't have access to an X-box if you do most of those. (I personally blame From for it being possible, and get more angry at the development choice than the player)


    Healing is fine, the phantom has humanity and can hide behind mobs.
    Cheap Tactics are impossible to "define", as Tolvo's OP indicates.

    Hacking, and Ganking, indicate you're not good enough to beat me. You're a pitiful person if you do such. Disconnecting from the fight is cheating me out of a victory I deserved. Backstabbing me while I bow just bothers me, but if you do it, it's my fault for bowing.
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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by Soris Ice Goldwing on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:22 pm

    Don't judge people for how they play. We all have different views on everything and just because someone is doing something I don't like doesn't mean I should judge them badly.


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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by sfcc on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:22 pm

    agreed i like to play naked with duel Caestus i see the skill of the person by how fast they can kill me i actually last a long time but rarly win someone even got in to a fist fight with me tat was a good fight should of got his name we could of been gankers that use there fists


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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by skarekrow13 on Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:07 am

    As a person who has routinely defended the right to gank (while dedicating much time to beating them) I can say I agree.

    Like Tolvo said, it's one thing to be frustrated by a specific thing and to have your enjoyment diminished as a result and bring it up that way. It's something different to dismiss an entire group of people you've likely never met based on one exceedingly superficial piece of information


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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by UmbasaOtter on Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:12 am

    Saturday-Saint wrote:I think it's also how he's looking down his (non-existent) nose at somebody and has the Super Saiyan aura.

    Yes, I was joking. On the flip side I actually have no problem with people playing however they want, even if they're just trying to be a massive ****. Hell, I bought Demon's Souls in part because I heard that I could be a jerk to strangers on the internet.


    That second comment was just fantastic haha.
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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by Tolvo on Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:18 am

    I'm glad to see people being very peaceful about this, I was kind of afraid it would start a flame war. Whether you agree or disagree, I'm glad this thread is nice and calm.

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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by User1 on Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:31 am

    I've been called many different things on Dark Souls because I like to piss around a bit. I sometimes find random invaders who might enjoy fighting me with his Talisman, so I'll take out my Pyromancy Flame, and we start having a little bit of pointless fun. I have received many types of abuse for doing this off other people, including "retard" "spacker" and other things among that. I personally couldn't care less about the people doing it, more that they choose to do that action. If someone is having fun doing that, and it's none of your business to get involved with it, I don't see why you should even bother hating on the people doing things that aren't the way you want them to. As much as this is pretty much a reiteration of previous posts, I think the point is made that the general community hates on those that don't do things their way, or appear to be worse than them. Perhaps even doing something that they might do to others might get you hatred off them, and once again, that is just one more thing that the community likes to do, and that is be hypocritical towards others.

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    Post by Serious_Much on Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:03 am

    I just think it's sad that the internet kinda creates these sort of barriers, stereotypes and the hate that ensues from it..

    I'm not even THAT much of an internet goer- this forum's the only one I go on.. and i occasionally comment on things on youtube, but that's about it, but the amount of pointless hate and squabbling is just ridiculous :|


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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by Pilgrim34 on Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:50 am

    At the end of the day, whilst there are undoubtedly some tactics that might be questionable or objectionable, you might as well just get over it and try and find a way to counter your opponents. If I die against such an opponent, something which has happened many times, I take it on the chin and move on and try and learn something from the way I died.

    I really don't understand hatemail though. Sure, you might be angry about the tactics someone's used against you or whatever but nobody is forcing you to write abusive messages to anyone, that's an individual decision whatever the circumstances. I agree with Much's point about the anonymity of the internet unfortunately making it easier to be abusive. I used to get lots of abusive messages during my days playing JKA and in the end I often used to say to people nobody is forcing you to play this game, why don't you just quit if it makes you so angry!


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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by lordgodofhell on Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:46 am

    Poetically explained point in which I agree Tolvo. We should only "demonize" people if it's demon souls.

    Also, it's not casuals.... its casuls no "a." Way to be a casul bro


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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by Tolvo on Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:05 pm

    Lord I'm thinking someone repped you down not for ideological reasons, but because they thought your Casul joke stunk. silly
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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by steveswede on Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:19 pm

    Tolvo wrote:
    Simply beating someone that has a fragile ego isn't intentionally harming them, taunting afterwards and sending them a nasty message is intent to upset.

    Taunting afterwards needs to be edited out because there are no rules to where and when you can use them. The game has been designed with taunts that are intended to upset people so this is fair game no matter what the situation is.
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    Re: Play How You Want

    Post by Tolvo on Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:36 pm

    And that section was discussing player interaction in regards to people being rude, and by definition a taunt is meant to provoke or hurt another person, thus it is intentionally harmful. If it were like some other RPG's where taunts cause enemies to target you, or some fighting games where it gives you back health, then I could say people taunt for various reasons. As it stands though taunting exists only for the interaction between players.

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