One of the underused weapons.

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    One of the underused weapons.

    Post by LordTransvalence on Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:23 pm

    Why is the moonlight butterfly spear underused? I mean spears in general other than the DSS are underused, BUT This works great with leo int builds , Its dmg isnt too bad, looks pretty cool, and the only magic dmg is a plus, how come no one uses this?


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    Re: One of the underused weapons.

    Post by Seignar on Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:36 pm

    1. Leo Ring doesn't work for it.
    2. Moonlight Greatsword is better.
    3. General consensus is that spears are OP.
    4. Only viable for INT builds.

    Those 4 reasons.

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    Re: One of the underused weapons.

    Post by LordTransvalence on Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:38 pm

    Why dosent the Leo ring work for it? Well What is it


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    Re: One of the underused weapons.

    Post by LunarFog on Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:51 pm

    leo ring only boosts physical damage. butterfly is half magic.

    Plus it's weak compared to most other spears even with 40 int.

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    Re: One of the underused weapons.

    Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? on Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:51 pm

    Leo Ring only affects physical damage, which is why elemental weapons don't do well with it.

    But I agree that it is a fine weapon.

    EDIT: @Lunar - It's actually pure magical.

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    Re: One of the underused weapons.

    Post by LordTransvalence on Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:57 pm

    LunarFog wrote:leo ring only boosts physical damage. butterfly is half magic.

    Plus it's weak compared to most other spears even with 40 int.

    Exactly, as alot of people think spears are OP takeing one of the weakest or the weakest of the catagorey and winning a battle with it would be just a show of skill. The challenge that comes with low dmg, as like my Witch Explorer build , i have 70 poise with the wolf and armor BUT my physical defense is total ****, broadsword has pretty low dmg in itself, with split dmg its even worse if ud like to see. mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=391388574609761195 Proper Bow


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    Re: One of the underused weapons.

    Post by LunarFog on Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:29 am

    LordTransvalence wrote:
    LunarFog wrote:leo ring only boosts physical damage. butterfly is half magic.

    Plus it's weak compared to most other spears even with 40 int.

    Exactly, as alot of people think spears are OP takeing one of the weakest or the weakest of the catagorey and winning a battle with it would be just a show of skill. The challenge that comes with low dmg, as like my Witch Explorer build , i have 70 poise with the wolf and armor BUT my physical defense is total ****, broadsword has pretty low dmg in itself, with split dmg its even worse if ud like to see. mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=391388574609761195 Proper Bow

    Spears have low damage regardless

    http://mmdks.com/221j

    I don't know about other spear users, but I don't care about challenging myself. That's when I get my skill test and play shadow link with people.

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    Re: One of the underused weapons.

    Post by Ghadis_God on Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:29 am

    It's not the weakest, it's one of the best spears period because of its range and because it chips through shields. With 40 Int it has 333 pure magic AR, which makes its effective damage equal to the Silver Knight Spear with 40 dex.


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    Re: One of the underused weapons.

    Post by LunarFog on Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:51 am

    Ghadis_God wrote:It's not the weakest, it's one of the best spears period because of its range and because it chips through shields. With 40 Int it has 333 pure magic AR, which makes its effective damage equal to the Silver Knight Spear with 40 dex.

    Saying the butterfly spear is one of the best because it chips through shields would be like saying the shotel is the best curved sword because it bypasses shields completely(and no one says that)

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    Re: One of the underused weapons.

    Post by RANT on Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:58 am

    LunarFog wrote:
    Ghadis_God wrote:It's not the weakest, it's one of the best spears period because of its range and because it chips through shields. With 40 Int it has 333 pure magic AR, which makes its effective damage equal to the Silver Knight Spear with 40 dex.

    Saying the butterfly spear is one of the best because it chips through shields would be like saying the shotel is the best curved sword because it bypasses shields completely(and no one says that)

    there's a huge difference, the spear will do good chip damage without any risk of getting parried if you use it right while the shotel can get parried a lot easier. spears are the easiest weapons to use and are so annoying because of lag(which makes them so hard to counter) which is why people don't use them much because they know that lag helps them too much.


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    Re: One of the underused weapons.

    Post by LunarFog on Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:05 am

    The fact that the spear can be spammed at the right distance to do chip damage without the risk of being parried is kind of evened out by the fact that the shotel bypasses shields completely.

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    Re: One of the underused weapons.

    Post by RANT on Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:08 am

    yes BUT it doesnt bypass parries which are eay to land on that r2 of the shotel. also if you go up against a decent pvp'er that has a greatshield they will switch to their bare hand and parry cause thats all people do as soon as they see a greatshield, I know cause I parry them all the time, I just keep my greatshield up and wait for them to come close and parry them. but really it all depends on who's using what.


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    Re: One of the underused weapons.

    Post by LordTransvalence on Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:40 am

    Also i think the butterflys R2 's are quick and are hard to dodge.


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    Re: One of the underused weapons.

    Post by Ghadis_God on Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:41 am

    Chip damage is just one factor Lunar, the fact that it has the longest reach behind the Demon's spear and tied with the DSS is what really sells it for one of the best along with low weight, single stat scaling, and pure magic AR.


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    Re: One of the underused weapons.

    Post by LordTransvalence on Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:10 am

    Also i think that the butterfly has the least amount of stamina use for its attacks.


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    Re: One of the underused weapons.

    Post by IIdoneus on Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:29 am

    We all like to use different things. I personally use the moonlight butterfly horn on my Witch Beatrice role-play toon when spell casting just does not cut it. For the pure mage, the weapon is a godsend. for anyone else it is not as useful. Dark Souls is all about adaptation and figuring out what works best for the individual.
    Sure, there are certain weapons which see widespread use due to a fabulous move pool or statistical scaling, but then there are weapons that have a cult following! I believe that somewhere way back in development, the creators of Dark Souls said something about nothing really being unusable and how everyone will feel different varieties of comfort with various weapons.
    Dark Souls is not a three-kinds-of-ice cream game, and that is the beauty of it! Appreciate that fact, train hard with what feels immediately comfortable and enjoyable to you, and the game will never grow old. Start forcing yourself to do what is not fun and what you conceive to be the mode of game play, and suddenly things are nowhere near as exhilarating. Even if I had a fetish for the broken straight sword, I would use it! and no matter how many times I would lose, at least I could say to myself, I am having fun!
    Sorry if I got off topic there, but cheers! Keep doing what you like to do!


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    Re: One of the underused weapons.

    Post by Rynn on Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:56 am

    Moonlight Butterfly Horn is best spear IMHO, but yes, it's underused.

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    Re: One of the underused weapons.

    Post by User1 on Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:20 pm

    I can say the Pickaxe is just too good. Yet I have never seen anyone else use it apart from me.
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    Re: One of the underused weapons.

    Post by Railage on Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:28 pm

    http://mmdks.com/22cw

    I Left Hand the Butterfly spear. =|


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    Re: One of the underused weapons.

    Post by LordTransvalence on Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:47 pm

    Why left hand it? also why do u have dex with MLGS?


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    Re: One of the underused weapons.

    Post by User1 on Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:50 pm

    Because it has a near identical moveset in the left hand as it does right, still has good range, fairly light, and great damage, for a spear. It also gives room for 2 primary weapons.
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    Re: One of the underused weapons.

    Post by Dibsville on Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:06 pm

    My mage used Moonlight Horn off-hand, it's the only place I've found use for it.


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    Re: One of the underused weapons.

    Post by LordTransvalence on Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:37 pm

    Oh alright , but as for the dex?


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    Re: One of the underused weapons.

    Post by XuitusTheGreat on Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:45 pm

    its a great offhand mage spear :| I love it


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    Re: One of the underused weapons.

    Post by trzzy on Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:19 am

    I love the moonlight spear you can use it to finish people with chip damage because its magic not physical


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