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    Post by Emergence Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:45 pm

    Hearing reports of a 56 break on that. What I'm hoping people can confirm is if the break (meaning poise needed to avoid stun) is 56 or 57 and if this also applies to the other 53 classes. Thanks for the help!
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    Post by XuitusTheGreat Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:27 pm

    my main character has 77 poise and I've been staggered by the first hit before when it was an obsidian greatsword but for other swords it feels like 60 I dont have anyone to test with but it feels more than 56, I know there is a % formula for it like maybe 5-8% more? of whatever the break is?
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    Post by Dibsville Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:46 pm

    I've had 76 poise builds staggered by it too, some right after a weapon toggle. I think it may depend on the greatsword.
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    Post by RANT Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:55 pm

    I think its not more than 60, remember that poise works like poison and even if you dodge a hit you still get your poise drained. gahh now I wanna test it.
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    Post by FinPeku Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:57 pm

    I thought it was 55 and you need 56 to resist it. Definitely not more than 60. Let's test it Rant. Are you still on?
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    Post by RANT Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:01 pm

    yes, im getting on just to test this thing lol. get your quality and all the gs' so we can test all of them.
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    Post by Emergence Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:18 pm

    I think the first few posters are thinking of Ultras. I mean regular greats. Rant and Fin have the idea. Fin, I suspect it fills 55 and 56 is the breakpoint too, just want to confirm before adding to the wiki. Thanks fellers!

    Edit: My bad, skimmed past mention of the Obsidian GS and just read the 77 poise comments. Either way, we need the science!
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    Post by lordgodofhell Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:36 pm

    Hells' was saying it breaks 59 poise and you need 60 to tank claymore 2 hand running R1.

    Side note, wouldn't it be LOVELY to have the poise break points for all the 1H and 2H R2 moves? Das what I want.

    I guess even deities don't know everything Kappa
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    Post by Emergence Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:45 pm

    Bah. You can't even make a thread without it becoming an argument over mechanics while you are away.

    And yeah that's what I am trying to do is get a full compendium of all poise breaks. It's ambitious but meh.
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    Post by FinPeku Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:53 pm

    Ok, so it breaks 55. Just tested it with rant. 56 to tank it. We tested 2h R2 and it breaks 52. So 56 to resist two-handed running attack and 53 to resist two-handed strong attack. We were too lazy to test 1h attacks and started dueling with Glute.
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    Post by Emergence Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:54 pm

    Lmao

    Thanks guys!
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    Post by Tolvo Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:59 pm

    You know why don't we just get together and test this one day Emergence? Frankly that might be worth a wiki page, Poise Break Points, as opposed to just a thread.
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    Post by Emergence Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:38 pm

    Would love to Tolvo.

    We have one here: http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/Poise

    It has your baseline breaks, but it's lacking all sorcery and complete moveset numbers.
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    Post by Tolvo Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:41 pm

    I believe I have a toon capable of wielding every weapon if you have one in his SL range.
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    Post by Emergence Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:43 pm

    What's the sl?
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    Post by Tolvo Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:50 pm

    I have a 196 with 40 Str, 32 Dex, 25 int, and 30 faith. So we could do some magic testing as well.

    I have a 108 with 47 int and 28 Dex so I can do magic testing on him.

    And finally I have a 124 with 58 strength that can do testing with any strength weapon.

    Seems like my memory of my toons isn't as good as I thought it was haha.
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    Post by Emergence Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:53 pm

    Lol

    Ok we'll need to plan it out and get our ducks in a row. The more willing, the merrier.
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    Post by Tolvo Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:58 pm

    I'm willing, it all depends on who will be hosting.
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    Post by Juutas Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:21 am

    I have poised trough that attack with 56 poise, but I think that if it is a critical hit or "counter" hit it may have more poise stun, but I'm like 90% sure the regular poisebreak for that is 56.
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    Post by FinPeku Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:04 am

    E, the number was 56, not 55. 2h running attack breaks 55 so you need 56 to tank it. I fixed the wiki.
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    Post by Emergence Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:21 am

    The wiki shows the breakpoints needed to tank. I had it right did I not?
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    Post by Emergence Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:28 am

    Just checked it, you're right thanks sir. I knew I meant to put 56, I must have derped when making the entry. Good eyes Fin.
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    Post by befowler Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:47 am

    This may be getting down in the weeds a bit, but running attacks can be tricky because a number of weapons have a separate invisible AOE impact effect that can stagger folks distinct from traditional poise breaking on an actual hit. Zwei, greatsword, and great club are examples. In other words you can stagger people (even those with high poise) with a near miss, sometimes even if you wouldn't have staggered them with an actual hit. And with lag etc sometimes you get both effects on top of each other such that you stagger someone you normally wouldn't have.

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