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    Kiln of The First Flame- Reasons for its ashen landscape

    Post by ADORNTHESPIDER on Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:43 pm

    The Kiln of the First Flame is quite a site to behold, but why is it burnt to a crisp? I figure that it's probably from the fire that encompasses the being that ignites the flame, but does it really explode like that? Any thoughts?
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    Re: Kiln of The First Flame- Reasons for its ashen landscape

    Post by Shkar on Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:32 am

    Aliens.

    In all seriousness though, it's a kiln; the whole point of it is too contain heat, or in this case energy. While the word was likely picked because it sounded cool (even I am having trouble thinking of a reason to use that term), it is still named after an oven. Which likely burns whatever is inside.


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    Re: Kiln of The First Flame- Reasons for its ashen landscape

    Post by ADORNTHESPIDER on Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:40 am

    Yeah, but wouldn't Gwyn's body have been destroyed then? That's some serious energy to work.
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    Re: Kiln of The First Flame- Reasons for its ashen landscape

    Post by Dibsville on Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:43 am

    Well we know that once you link the fire you get burnt to a crisp.
    We can also speculate that with Gwyn being a god he was once huge.
    From what I can conclude, he broke off part of his soul and made the Gwyn we fight, then he sacrificed himself to the fire, thus burning him and turning him into ash that was spread over what we now call the Kiln.


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    Re: Kiln of The First Flame- Reasons for its ashen landscape

    Post by ADORNTHESPIDER on Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:56 am

    A valid theory, but he split his soul and gave it to the Four Kings. That's why their Lord Soul is called "Bequeathed Lord Soul" in your inventory. Could he have saved the rest to leave a "shell" of himself to guard the flame along with his Black Knights? It's possible that it could be another illusion.
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    Re: Kiln of The First Flame- Reasons for its ashen landscape

    Post by Dibsville on Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:59 am

    He only gave a partial bit, a minimal amount, to the Four Kings. It's easily possible that the another part of his soul went into his 'shell', while the rest went into kindling the fire.
    Such as:
    1/8 to the Four Kings.
    3/8 to the 'shell'
    1/2 to kindling the Flame


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    Re: Kiln of The First Flame- Reasons for its ashen landscape

    Post by Dibsville on Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:04 am

    It would also explain why he goes down so easily, as someone who can take down an Everlasting Dragon should make mince meat of your player.


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    Re: Kiln of The First Flame- Reasons for its ashen landscape

    Post by Shkar on Wed Apr 24, 2013 2:14 am

    He's mindless, running on instinct. Even if he was running low on power, you would think he would still use lightning.

    Gwyn threw himself into the fire, and his greatsword flares with flame, even though his element was lightning; clearly, linking the flame had some strange effects on him. It's quite possible he's immune to it's energy now.


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    Re: Kiln of The First Flame- Reasons for its ashen landscape

    Post by Hue on Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:37 am

    Seath also drop a bequeathed lord soul shard

    Do your math thing again Dibs, with 1/8 for seath


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    Re: Kiln of The First Flame- Reasons for its ashen landscape

    Post by Werdax on Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:58 am

    I believe the flame has been so powerful, it reached all of the kiln and not just inside of Gwyn's arena. This would explain why the Black knights are all burned up as well.
    How come he still be standing? Seeing how powerful he is, even at his breaking point, I think we can conclude that Gwyn's body was strong enough to withstand the fire (Unfortunately, his sanity or Soul, wasn't as lucky)

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    Re: Kiln of The First Flame- Reasons for its ashen landscape

    Post by alchemydesign on Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:20 am

    Werdax is right, I believe there is an item or piece of armor (BK gear i think) that states when Gwyn linked the flames it burnt so hot that it burnt up the surroundings as well as his knights. It's not that it's a kiln, or even that it's hot, but the catalyst of burning up his God energy caused an explosive flame to occur.
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    Re: Kiln of The First Flame- Reasons for its ashen landscape

    Post by ADORNTHESPIDER on Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:17 pm

    Okay, I just read the Knights were indeed burned in the flame, but I thought their armor was charred black from fighting the demons of chaos?

    The whole Gwyn leaving part of his soul behind theory makes sense to me, but he's still pretty tough. If that's just a fraction of the power of a Lord Soul, then why isn't Nito ridiculously strong? He has a whole Lord Soul.


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    Re: Kiln of The First Flame- Reasons for its ashen landscape

    Post by Dibsville on Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:40 pm

    Hachouma wrote:Seath also drop a bequeathed lord soul shard

    Do your math thing again Dibs, with 1/8 for seath
    How about 1/16 to Kings and 1/16 to Seath...


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    Re: Kiln of The First Flame- Reasons for its ashen landscape

    Post by alchemydesign on Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:12 pm

    I would imagine the souls powers are linked to the flame...as it dies, so too does the power...just a thought though.
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    Re: Kiln of The First Flame- Reasons for its ashen landscape

    Post by Dibsville on Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:15 pm

    alchemydesign wrote:I would imagine the souls powers are linked to the flame...as it dies, so too does the power...just a thought though.
    Kindling is the process of offering up one's power in order to keep the bonfire lit and full of power, the weaker Gwyn is, the weaker the flame would have to be.
    Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure Gwyn turns around when you walk into the Fog Gate.
    Also, the fire is lit during the fight, but dies out when Gwyn does, so it may be true that they are linked. It may explain why it would take the entire life of an undead in order to rekindle it.


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    Re: Kiln of The First Flame- Reasons for its ashen landscape

    Post by ADORNTHESPIDER on Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:25 pm

    Could you imagine fighting Gwyn in his prime? THAT would be tough fight.
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    Re: Kiln of The First Flame- Reasons for its ashen landscape

    Post by Dibsville on Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:28 pm

    You wouldn't be able to physically kill him.


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    Re: Kiln of The First Flame- Reasons for its ashen landscape

    Post by Shkar on Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:40 pm

    Before you said that, I would have sworn up and down that you can't see the flame while fighting him. I still deny it, but now I have to wonder. Damn it.


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    Re: Kiln of The First Flame- Reasons for its ashen landscape

    Post by Dibsville on Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:42 pm

    I can clearly see the flame lighting the area as you fight... in my mind. I know it goes dark after you kill him.
    I haven't fought Gwyn in quite some time, I normally finish my builds on NG now because I skip optional bosses and most of the PvP areas are in optional boss areas.


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    Re: Kiln of The First Flame- Reasons for its ashen landscape

    Post by ADORNTHESPIDER on Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:50 pm

    How many builds do you have?
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    Re: Kiln of The First Flame- Reasons for its ashen landscape

    Post by Dibsville on Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:54 pm

    Currently, 9.


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    Post by ADORNTHESPIDER on Wed Apr 24, 2013 6:59 pm

    Wow. That's a lot of hours. I just fought Gwyn the other day, and I'm really sure that the fire is lit as you fight him.
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    Post by Dibsville on Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:01 pm

    I have 7000+ hours.


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    Re: Kiln of The First Flame- Reasons for its ashen landscape

    Post by ADORNTHESPIDER on Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:14 pm

    Do you mostly PvP?
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    Post by Dibsville on Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:15 pm

    I tend to PvE a lot, but yes, mostly PvP.


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