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    Be wary of suckers...

    Post by Waterfine on Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:54 pm

    So I was PVPing tonight with my SL99 ton in arena. I ran into this guy (probably a mega muled account since he only has dark soul trophies). Anyway, we had a pretty normal fight and end up with a draw. After the fight, I bowed to him like I did to all my other opponents. And this douche pulls out a dark hand and soul sucked me while I was in bowing animation. He took away 10 of my humanities in one suck (must be high rank dark wrath). I mean come on, as a dark wrath you already causing enough miseries to many people outside. Why doing this to ruin others day in arena? I don't know how common this kind of **** is happening nowadays but this is my first time running into something like this. And it really pissed me off. So be careful guys, there are suckers out there.


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    Re: Be wary of suckers...

    Post by lordgodofhell on Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:06 pm

    That is actually a REALLY GOOD idea. As a dw, I am upset I didn't come up with it. Of course, I don't frequent arena.

    Also, it is against forum rules to call out names like you did. You might want to edit his name out.


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    Re: Be wary of suckers...

    Post by ErrJon6661 on Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:11 pm

    In my glass half empty and cynical opinion this kind of thing happens all the time. I try to stress whenever the topic comes up that you may be into the "courtesy" of bowing, not healing, not using certain items or techniques and so on but not everyone who plays is.

    I've had guys duel me multiple times in a very "fair" manner. But as soon as I get a clean backstab they'll spam wog until I die, or suddenly go into bs mode and just circle me waiting for me to slip up. These same people will duel you fairly until they lose. Then the next time you invade their world they may bs you as you bow to them, or they may have some friends waiting for you. All very un fair things to do.

    Basically. It happens. It happens a lot. There are some great people online. And there are some not so great people online.


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    Re: Be wary of suckers...

    Post by Animaaal on Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:12 pm

    Thanks for the heads up bud, but edit his name. Itsaviolation.

    Also, the "suckers" are everywhere...and they're all returning for Dark Souls 2....GOD I can't wait.

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    Re: Be wary of suckers...

    Post by Ghadis_God on Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:17 pm

    It's not a new idea, I've done it when my opponent acted like a jerk. I also have a second account so I can have 20 builds, it doesn't necessarily mean he's a mule.


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    Re: Be wary of suckers...

    Post by Emergence on Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:27 pm

    OP as per http://soulswiki.forumsrpg.com/t2-forum-guidelines can't single out names of people you run into online. People deserve a chance to defend their name from slander and they can't if they are being displayed on a public forum without knowing.


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    Re: Be wary of suckers...

    Post by Soris Ice Goldwing on Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:29 pm

    Seems like the everyday case of Dark Souls jerks. Heh I got to admit that was a really smart idea to go DW+3 and use the dark hand to suck out your humanity, even if that is a cruel thing to do,


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    Re: Be wary of suckers...

    Post by Dibsville on Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:32 pm

    It's almost...
    insane...


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    Re: Be wary of suckers...

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:34 pm

    Thanks, Waterfine. I am at bored at work and your story cheered me up.


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    Re: Be wary of suckers...

    Post by Soris Ice Goldwing on Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:59 pm

    Just to touch off something slightly I would only see the issue of the issue of "suckers" because of the loss of 10 humanity. If this was a regular dark hand I would see little to get mad or feel annoyed about. When you became human you lose 1 humanity and once you die, you have to recover the remaining humanity you have and loss another one to become human again. For example if I am undead and have ten humanity and turn human I then have 9 humanity. I go PvP and die three times. Each loss means I loss three more humanity to become human again. So then I have 6 left. If get dark handed and have 5 left and die then I lost two in the process. Likewise I can kill the dw and gain that 1 humanity again, having 6, so I earned nothing. I can regain it all again easily as I lost little humanity and can afford it.

    Now to lose 10 humanity then there can be an issue as the loss is always greater than the gain. To win the fight would only gain 1 humanity but is not worth much compared to the loss. To lose is a even greater loss as you lose 11 humanity while the dw gained your loss as his/her win. It is a grave loss if your build is low on humanity and rebuilding the loss is time consuming to regain. The grief aspect is that the victim is left with no humanity and can no longer be human for a awhile, which closes the majority of the multiplayer aspect of the game. This is where the issue of these people lie. However to do this you need to be a high rank dw in order to do to people.


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    Re: Be wary of suckers...

    Post by tristan7 on Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:13 am

    at SL 99 i don't see this as a problem, by that time i would have acquired around 60 hard humanity and would have just refilled my soft count to the same as it was before. beware of running low on humanity, it is not wise to use it as a replacement for estus. and you should only heal in pvp if it is absolutely necessary, simply wasting a humanity in a desperate attempt to stay alive a little bit longer when you know it will only lead to a bs is an unwise decision.


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    Re: Be wary of suckers...

    Post by Juutas on Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:19 am

    10 humanitys? blah...you get those back in next 10 matches anyway.


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    Re: Be wary of suckers...

    Post by Soris Ice Goldwing on Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:23 am

    Juutas wrote:10 humanitys? blah...you get those back in next 10 matches anyway.
    If you win ten or eleven times in a row. Unless you want to go as a summon and work as a phantom for the ten humanity, or the rss if you can be human, though that is like normal dw invasions.


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    Re: Be wary of suckers...

    Post by DemonOfFate on Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:24 am

    Honestly, is this happened to me, i would have laughed my *** off. I mean, try to see the humor in somethings, you bowed and he saw it as a nice chance to troll you, rather clever i say. And there really isn't anyway to classify anyone as a "Sucker", because dark souls has no set rules, as such people can play how they like.


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    Re: Be wary of suckers...

    Post by Animaaal on Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:25 am

    If he did it because they were using a chaos weapon, then he'd be a genius.
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    Re: Be wary of suckers...

    Post by Ghadis_God on Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:58 am

    Nah, you ought to have 99 humanity to be competitive in the arena.


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    Re: Be wary of suckers...

    Post by Sneezer on Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:12 am

    I'm not sure the Darkwraith was the sucker in this case.

    Moral of the story; never bow against randoms.


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    Re: Be wary of suckers...

    Post by xenon_nobelium on Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:20 am

    happend to me in the burg yesterday, invader "proper" bows, i bow, he runs up and sucks 10 humanity. i did the beckon gesture afterwards but he didn't get it (in that case another 10 humanity^^). 99-10 is not too harsh and now i am at 89 humanity and have an incentive to win the next matches so he did me a favor. the trolls don't win if you don't get mad!


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    Re: Be wary of suckers...

    Post by VaDoom on Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:21 am

    Did you ever find yourself stuck at the center of a tight triangle of gankers at your spawning point, each of them using dark hand?
    This is how you lose 50+ humanities...


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    Re: Be wary of suckers...

    Post by tristan7 on Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:40 am

    Ghadis_God wrote:Nah, you ought to have 99 humanity to be competitive in the arena.
    only way i pvp


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    Re: Be wary of suckers...

    Post by tristan7 on Thu Apr 25, 2013 12:41 am

    VaDoom wrote:Did you ever find yourself stuck at the center of a tight triangle of gankers at your spawning point, each of them using dark hand?
    This is how you lose 50+ humanities...
    i think i would just quit the game via console menu after the second suck


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    Re: Be wary of suckers...

    Post by Juutas on Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:21 am

    Ghadis_God wrote:Nah, you ought to have 99 humanity to be competitive in the arena.

    Not true, I did my first streak without 99 humanity and I think I'm still at top-10 of SL100 bracket and doesn't the bonuses of humanity stop at 80 anyways?
    I dont think humanity bonuses have HUGE difference anyway...after 50 humanity I notice no difference at all.


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    Re: Be wary of suckers...

    Post by LunarFog on Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:27 am

    I remember going afk in the burg once(bad mistake I know) and when I came back I was dead and my humanity went from 99 to 30. I was pissed. But on the bright side, it was actually fun winning the next 70 matches.

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    Re: Be wary of suckers...

    Post by tristan7 on Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:30 am

    it just gives you better stats, might as well have them. even going from 98 to 99 my lightning def went up 1. the higher the number the less of a bonus you get, but a bonus is a bonus and having around +70 in all your defense values gives you a considerable edge.


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    Post by KrazykevS10 on Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:20 am

    That is kind of hillarious but I agree that the guy was a douche.If you are going to bow,make sure you have enough distance to have time to roll if they charge.Having your back to a wall helps too.


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