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    are greatshields more valuble than in demon's souls?

    Post by jerrmy12 on Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:12 am

    are they? as i do not own the game yet, i ask because of poise, i plan on using havel's shield.
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    Re: are greatshields more valuble than in demon's souls?

    Post by Sentiel on Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:23 am

    Just like in Demon's Souls, it's best to evade the attack rather than block it. On the other hand the Stamina drain on blocking is smaller in Dark Souls, so you can block more than in DeS. Another fine thing is that enemies rebound after getting blocked by a greatshield, which makes them receive more damage if you attack them in this rebound animation.

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    Re: are greatshields more valuble than in demon's souls?

    Post by Pilgrim34 on Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:21 am

    If you're going for a tank build when you get the game and you don't mind medium or fat rolling then by all means go for a greatshield. Havel's would be ideal for such a character.

    Overall I have to agree with Sentiel, my personal preference is to avoid attacks rather than stand there blocking and it is more than viable to get through the game using a medium shield or less although there are perhaps one or two areas in the game where it's perhaps easier to sacrifice mobility for the protection of a greatshield.


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    Re: are greatshields more valuble than in demon's souls?

    Post by AnCapaillMor on Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:49 am

    Think they're less valuable with bleed, the bleed effect is totally different than demons. If i see a great shield first thing i think is woohoo no parries and usally switch to a bleed weapon. Bleed does'nt doesn't drain over time life demons, you've a build meter if its filled it knocks off 30% of your hp.


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    Re: are greatshields more valuble than in demon's souls?

    Post by jerrmy12 on Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:02 pm

    AnCapaillMor wrote:Think they're less valuable with bleed, the bleed effect is totally different than demons. If i see a great shield first thing i think is woohoo no parries and usally switch to a bleed weapon. Bleed does'nt doesn't drain over time life demons, you've a build meter if its filled it knocks off 30% of your hp.
    i meant to type OR artorias greatshield, so no bleed, and i did very well with tower shield in pvp in DeS, but im asking because of poise, are greatshields better to block?like blocking 5 hits than attacking.
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    Re: are greatshields more valuble than in demon's souls?

    Post by Dibsville on Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:04 pm

    The only two Greatshields I would ever even consider using are the Greatshield of Artorias (second highest possible stability, you can not be poisoned/toxic/bled if their attack hits the shield), and Havel's Greatshield (the Tower Shield of Dark Souls).
    Other than that I would only use them for cosplays, which I rarely ever do besides Ricard.


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    Re: are greatshields more valuble than in demon's souls?

    Post by EeAyEss on Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:14 pm

    Dibs, what's the highest stability shield in Dark Souls? Do you know?


    By the way, the status effect-resist doesn't work in PvP, much like rebounding doesn't work in PvP as well.


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    Re: are greatshields more valuble than in demon's souls?

    Post by Dibsville on Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:16 pm

    Crystal Tower Shield +5.


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    Re: are greatshields more valuble than in demon's souls?

    Post by EeAyEss on Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:20 pm

    Damn straight, Dibs. 90 stability, woohoo!


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    Re: are greatshields more valuble than in demon's souls?

    Post by Dibsville on Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:23 pm

    Oyus.
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    Re: are greatshields more valuble than in demon's souls?

    Post by Soris Ice Goldwing on Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:25 pm

    Unless you face a shotel in Dark Souls and the bleed weapons like in both games. Blocking is not a good idea when you face these.


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    Re: are greatshields more valuble than in demon's souls?

    Post by Dibsville on Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:26 pm

    Two hand your weapon.
    No one is going to leave themselves open to a stunlock while using a Shotel...


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    Re: are greatshields more valuble than in demon's souls?

    Post by Animaaal on Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:42 pm

    The answer is yes...by far.....and by far, I mean by like a frecking mile far.

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    Re: are greatshields more valuble than in demon's souls?

    Post by jerrmy12 on Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:43 pm

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    Re: are greatshields more valuble than in demon's souls?

    Post by Dibsville on Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:44 pm

    Animaaal wrote:The answer is yes...by far.....and by far, I mean by like a frecking mile far.
    >Parrying is harder in Demon's making it practically useless
    >Greatshields almost always have better stats
    >In Demon's stability is a huge part of shields, greatshields are much better in that category.

    I fail to see your point. :|


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    Re: are greatshields more valuble than in demon's souls?

    Post by Animaaal on Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:46 pm

    Dibsville wrote:
    Animaaal wrote:The answer is yes...by far.....and by far, I mean by like a frecking mile far.
    >Parrying is harder in Demon's making it practically useless
    >Greatshields almost always have better stats
    >In Demon's stability is a huge part of shields, greatshields are much better in that category.

    I fail to see your point. :|

    1) Title of thread

    2) The op's actual question.

    3) Read to see a point.

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    Re: are greatshields more valuble than in demon's souls?

    Post by Animaaal on Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:47 pm

    4) Its in the pvp section. :idea:
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    Re: are greatshields more valuble than in demon's souls?

    Post by Dibsville on Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:47 pm

    Animaaal wrote:
    Dibsville wrote:
    Animaaal wrote:The answer is yes...by far.....and by far, I mean by like a frecking mile far.
    >Parrying is harder in Demon's making it practically useless
    >Greatshields almost always have better stats
    >In Demon's stability is a huge part of shields, greatshields are much better in that category.

    I fail to see your point. :|

    1) Title of thread

    2) The op's actual question.

    3) Read to see a point.
    Yes, I realise you were answering the question, I was just wondering how they are that much better. :shock:


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    Re: are greatshields more valuble than in demon's souls?

    Post by Animaaal on Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:58 pm

    Oh, well....

    Demon's had greatshields...but they were awful for pvp.

    I was simply saying that the op would be pleasently surprised by the "retooling" so to speak of the the shield stability system applied to Dark Souls as opposed to Demon's Souls.

    Greatshields were awful in Demon's...just awful, but I did use the Purple Flame Shield for awhile...I'll admit it.

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    Re: are greatshields more valuble than in demon's souls?

    Post by jerrmy12 on Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:11 pm

    i was wondering if they are better because you could block then attack without stunlock, i plan on using giants set and artorias greatshield or havel's shield.


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    Re: are greatshields more valuble than in demon's souls?

    Post by GenericUsername on Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:12 pm

    Stamina drain is much less in Dark souls. Even with a full upgraded GS in Demon's I still got my gaurd broken a number of times and yet in Dark souls I was basically invincible to all normal attacks

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    Re: are greatshields more valuble than in demon's souls?

    Post by jerrmy12 on Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:35 pm

    GenericUsername wrote:Stamina drain is much less in Dark souls. Even with a full upgraded GS in Demon's I still got my gaurd broken a number of times and yet in Dark souls I was basically invincible to all normal attacks
    tower shield+5 had highest stability, and i like you avatar.

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    Re: are greatshields more valuble than in demon's souls?

    Post by Animaaal on Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:45 pm

    Havel's Shield also has a nice "buff" that affects poise.

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    Re: are greatshields more valuble than in demon's souls?

    Post by jerrmy12 on Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:49 pm

    Animaaal wrote:Havel's Shield also has a nice "buff" that affects poise.
    i just found out something, tower shield+15 has 2 les stability less than greatshield of artorias, but 3 pounds less, why? greatshield of artorias can eat it then
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    Re: are greatshields more valuble than in demon's souls?

    Post by EeAyEss on Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:34 pm

    Go crystal with tower shield. 90 stability.


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