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    Would going Dex be a good idea?

    Post by Jim Jam 94 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:37 pm

    So I'm at Soul Level 73, I have NOT killed Queen Quelaag meaning I have a fair bit to go in my first playthrough.

    I currently have 40STR, 40 End, 25 Vit and 13 Dex, I'm using the Demon Great Machete and it's currently at +8 (plan on getting it to +15)

    I fancy being able to mix it up a bit in PVP so I was wonderng If it'd hurt to stop at 30vit and get to 35 Dex, this would put me at soul level 100 and I would have 40str, 40 end, 30 Vit and 35 Dex, would something like this be a good build?

    The Dex would purely be for weapons that scale off Dex or Dex and Str

    I've thought about stopping at level 100 purely because I've heard it's a decent level to stop for PVP?


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    Re: Would going Dex be a good idea?

    Post by Nybbles on Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:50 pm

    40/40 strength and dex is good quality build, but it won't help you at all with the demon machete. if you want more variety, stop at 18 dex so you can use the black knight weapons and then use elemental weapons for the rest. put the rest of those points into vitality.

    level 100 is okay but you will be putting yourself at a disadvantage with the 120 PVP crowd unless you plan on doing arena battles.

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    Re: Would going Dex be a good idea?

    Post by Jim Jam 94 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:55 pm

    Nybbles wrote:40/40 strength and dex is good quality build, but it won't help you at all with the demon machete. if you want more variety, stop at 18 dex so you can use the black knight weapons and then use elemental weapons for the rest. put the rest of those points into vitality.

    level 100 is okay but you will be putting yourself at a disadvantage with the 120 PVP crowd unless you plan on doing arena battles.

    I know the 35 dex (or 40?) Wouldn't benefit the DGM, but I've been considering getting Dex up that High so that I can use other weapons effectively for PVP, i.e the ones that scale purely off Dex or as you said, quality weapons. It'd be nice to be able to use different weapons since I know that pure Strength builds can be hard to master in PVP, although are very rewarding when played correctly, I'd like to be able to switch between the two?

    In that case should I just get to SL120? SL120 will be petty easy to hit anyway, also I'm new to the Game hence why I may seem like a noob, cheers for the reply!

    Edit: How well do Elemental weapons do? (Noob question)

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    Re: Would going Dex be a good idea?

    Post by Nybbles on Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:10 pm

    elemental weapons would be your best bet, since they don't scale you only need the minimum dex required to wield it. 18 is more than enough for most and it allows you to use the black knight weapons. i would only go to 40/40 if your primary weapon is a quality weapon.

    30 vitality is pretty low for PVP at that soul level range, you won't survive very long if you make a mistake and most spell will one shot kill you. i would say 40 is a rough minimum but i wouldn't go any higher than 50.

    as for soul level, just stop at whatever soul level you think the build feels complete. at a certain point you'll find that you have everything you need and any extra investment just won't be worth it. around level 120, give or take a few is usually that point. which is why the PVP community picked it. well, it's actually a hold over from demon's souls but whatever.

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    Re: Would going Dex be a good idea?

    Post by Jim Jam 94 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:15 pm

    Nybbles wrote:elemental weapons would be your best bet, since they don't scale you only need the minimum dex required to wield it. 18 is more than enough for most and it allows you to use the black knight weapons. i would only go to 40/40 if your primary weapon is a quality weapon.

    30 vitality is pretty low for PVP at that soul level range, you won't survive very long if you make a mistake and most spell will one shot kill you. i would say 40 is a rough minimum but i wouldn't go any higher than 50.

    as for soul level, just stop at whatever soul level you think the build feels complete. at a certain point you'll find that you have everything you need and any extra investment just won't be worth it. around level 120, give or take a few is usually that point. which is why the PVP community picked it. well, it's actually a hold over from demon's souls but whatever.

    That sounds like a plan to me then! Thanks for the advice, has been helpful! Is there any specific Element that's the best? And out of the BKW's, which one would be best suited?
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    Re: Would going Dex be a good idea?

    Post by Coryf2209 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:15 pm

    120(100 + 10 + 10%) is the norm, and since everyone does it, feel free to go to 140,(can still target 120s)and have a bit of an advantage, since you're new to DkS. I also might advise just getting your first character to a nice high level, and do whatever you want. My main is 300, with 50 vit, 50 str, 50 dex, 50 int, 50 fai, and 99 end, with 5 attunement slots. I also have my dex build at 107, going on 125.


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    Re: Would going Dex be a good idea?

    Post by Shakie666 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:18 pm

    If you want to just pvp, don't bother with variety, you'd be far better off just picking a weapon you like and sticking with it. In your case i'd say just +15 your DGM and be done with it, then put the rest of your levels into vit and end. Just today I finished making this build, reminiscent of the old ninja-flipping tanks I guess.

    Elemental weapons don't scale with any stats, but instead are given an elemental damage boost. Good for low levels, but with 40 str they're nowhere near as good as a +15.

    By the way: you wouldn't happen to be a certain heavy rain addict I know would you?
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    Re: Would going Dex be a good idea?

    Post by RANT on Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:21 pm

    if it's your first run at the game then I would do what cory told you, make it a high sl so you can try everything and then make a build around the weapons that you like, I did that with demon's and dark souls. with an sl 300 you can do everything and test all weapons.


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    Re: Would going Dex be a good idea?

    Post by Jim Jam 94 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:24 pm

    Coryf2209 wrote:120(100 + 10 + 10%) is the norm, and since everyone does it, feel free to go to 140,(can still target 120s)and have a bit of an advantage, since you're new to DkS. I also might advise just getting your first character to a nice high level, and do whatever you want. My main is 300, with 50 vit, 50 str, 50 dex, 50 int, 50 fai, and 99 end, with 5 attunement slots. I also have my dex build at 107, going on 125.

    That's good news then, wasn't sure which level you'd stop targeting SL120's

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    Re: Would going Dex be a good idea?

    Post by Coryf2209 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:25 pm

    Demon's Souls, you say? Best weapon = stormruler.


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    Re: Would going Dex be a good idea?

    Post by Shakie666 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:27 pm

    Ahh, stormtrolling. Those were the days...

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    Re: Would going Dex be a good idea?

    Post by Jim Jam 94 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:30 pm

    Shakie666 wrote:If you want to just pvp, don't bother with variety, you'd be far better off just picking a weapon you like and sticking with it. In your case i'd say just +15 your DGM and be done with it, then put the rest of your levels into vit and end. Just today I finished making this build, reminiscent of the old ninja-flipping tanks I guess.

    Elemental weapons don't scale with any stats, but instead are given an elemental damage boost. Good for low levels, but with 40 str they're nowhere near as good as a +15.

    By the way: you wouldn't happen to be a certain heavy rain addict I know would you?

    I'll definitely leave the DGM at +15, it's a beast with it's A scale rating in Str, It's funny because a week ago I had no understanding of how scaling worked, thankfully I was low level, I was running around with the Zwei at the time, found out about the DGM and thought I'd build my class thinking I'd get it from the Capra Demon, guess I got lucky!

    Haha I haven't played Heavy rain silly Someone with a similar name or something? lol!
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    Re: Would going Dex be a good idea?

    Post by Shakie666 on Wed Apr 17, 2013 5:40 pm

    Jim Jam 94 wrote:
    Shakie666 wrote:If you want to just pvp, don't bother with variety, you'd be far better off just picking a weapon you like and sticking with it. In your case i'd say just +15 your DGM and be done with it, then put the rest of your levels into vit and end. Just today I finished making this build, reminiscent of the old ninja-flipping tanks I guess.

    Elemental weapons don't scale with any stats, but instead are given an elemental damage boost. Good for low levels, but with 40 str they're nowhere near as good as a +15.

    By the way: you wouldn't happen to be a certain heavy rain addict I know would you?

    I'll definitely leave the DGM at +15, it's a beast with it's A scale rating in Str, It's funny because a week ago I had no understanding of how scaling worked, thankfully I was low level, I was running around with the Zwei at the time, found out about the DGM and thought I'd build my class thinking I'd get it from the Capra Demon, guess I got lucky!

    Haha I haven't played Heavy rain silly Someone with a similar name or something? lol!

    If you intend to go for big, slow weapon such as the DGM, you'll either want a backup weapon thats quick (reinforced club is good for that) or get enough end to fast roll. Two rings can help in that regard: havel's ring, and the ring of favour and protection.

    Whoops, just realised you're at quelaag. You probably knew that already.

    Are you SURE you've never played heavy rain? I have someone on psn with a username suspiciously similar to yours, who I know from school, who always used to say how good it was. I also happen to know he recently got DkS. Meh, must be an enormous coincidink.
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    Re: Would going Dex be a good idea?

    Post by Myztyrio on Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:02 pm

    I'd just stick with the pure strength if you're feeling good about the DGM.


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    Re: Would going Dex be a good idea?

    Post by Jim Jam 94 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:04 pm

    Right! so now that I've completed the Game, I've hit SL129, I'm seeing quite a lot of PVP, I'm now using the +5 Black Knight Great Axe and a full set of +5 Black Iron Armur, I've currently got 40Vit, 40End, 40Str, 30Faith, 30Dex, I fancy giving the Dragon Slayer Spear a whirl. Should I stop at my current SL? The weapon scales C with Str, B with Dex and B with faith. Would going to SL139 (I'd hit 40Dex) be worth it or would it effect how many people I can find? This Thread has thus far provided great help, I just need a little more insight!

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    Re: Would going Dex be a good idea?

    Post by Tolvo on Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:10 pm

    I'd suggest staying at your current level since it may become a bit hard to find players. You should still be able to connect with people in the SL120 range and if you DM you could connect with people even lower than that probably often around the 100 range, so you could have a stable amount of PvP.

    The Dragon Slayer Spear is pretty nice with great reach and decent damage, just understand AR and actual damage done are different things. Since it deals split damage you will have your attacks deal less than a straight up physical weapon.

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    Re: Would going Dex be a good idea?

    Post by Jim Jam 94 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:22 pm

    Tolvo wrote:I'd suggest staying at your current level since it may become a bit hard to find players. You should still be able to connect with people in the SL120 range and if you DM you could connect with people even lower than that probably often around the 100 range, so you could have a stable amount of PvP.

    The Dragon Slayer Spear is pretty nice with great reach and decent damage, just understand AR and actual damage done are different things. Since it deals split damage you will have your attacks deal less than a straight up physical weapon.

    Ok thats cool! Yeah I understand AR and DMG done are different things, just wasn't sure whether I'd be at a disadvantage having only 30Dex, I guess having my 30Faith could make up for that
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    Re: Would going Dex be a good idea?

    Post by Tolvo on Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:27 pm

    At 30 faith, 30 dex, it should deal decent damage.

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    Re: Would going Dex be a good idea?

    Post by Jim Jam 94 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 1:31 pm

    Tolvo wrote:At 30 faith, 30 dex, it should deal decent damage.
    Righto! Cheers
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    Re: Would going Dex be a good idea?

    Post by Avenger649 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 2:18 pm

    I find that the dragonslayer spear is better at higher levels and that it is usually better just to buff a spear.
    At the stats mentioned it should do decent damage.
    You could go to a higher level if using it, perhaps 150 as some people PvP at that level.


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