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    NO build PVP!

    Post by divinebeanpole on Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:24 pm

    Gather he, all who want to get back to the basics.

    How does pvp with no more 75 poise fast rolling sound to you? Think people who pile on armor should be mid or fat rolling? Tired of getting WOGed or dark beaded as you are about to seal the deal? Want to have good fights in a different area of Dark Souls besides the burg, township, forest, or kiln?
    ARE YOU TIRED OF PURSUERS?!!


    My idea here is to make the journey down to the Eternal Dragon for the Dragon Eye, and PVP in places like the church, the undead parish bridge, lower burg, wherever else. So obviously, I want to keep the gargoyles alive, therefore no progressing past Sens Fortress

    - lvl 25
    - may only level up VITALITY, ENDURANCE, STRENGTH and DEXTERITY
    - ATTUNEMENT, RESISTANCE, INTELLIGENCE and FAITH must remain untouched!

    Armor and Weaponry
    - unupgraded
    - Any armor or weapon found before Sen's Fortress is acceptable *
    * equipment that cannot be upgraded is off limits, i.e. Gold Hemmed Robes, ...

    Ring1- Ring of Favor and Protection
    - found this early by killing Lautrec
    Ring2- any other ring available before Sen'sFortress

    Magic
    - as INT and FTH will not be touched, those who want to use spells must choose a starting character with enough stats to cover for your spells. Example: only those who choose Cleric can use Magic Barrier with their preloaded 14 FTH, just as those who choose Sorcerer could use Great Magic Weapon or Strong Magic Shield

    Items
    - Firebombs, throwing knives, and resins all gain relevance with this low SL, so stock up!


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    Re: NO build PVP!

    Post by User1 on Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:35 pm

    Hello, nice idea you have here, I have a few suggestions to make, and a build to go with it;
    http://mmdks.com/1wab

    What I suggest is 25 as the level. This allows a chance of getting the minimum requirements easily, and putting a bit into VIT and END, although in the build I intend to use, I didn't level up END.

    I use default armour, seeing as there would be no overpowered armour for this to keep it fair, and I use a weapon from Andre, the Warpick.

    I am also using Magic Weapon, and Fireball and Combustion, spells that aren't too overpowered. I like this idea, if you choose to do this, if my connection permits me to, I will definitely join in with this! Let me know what you think of the suggestions.

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    Post by User1 on Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:42 pm

    Oh, I can agree the Broadsword is lovely too. Just, 25 isn't high enough to get maximum use out of it. sad
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    Re: NO build PVP!

    Post by Automancer on Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:36 pm

    I love this idea however, i think we should only use unupgraded weapons.

    Here's mine. - http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=404520713365271558


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    Post by divinebeanpole on Mon Apr 15, 2013 5:55 pm

    I was thinking and hoping for that as well, automancer, I love the idea of min damage thus making a fight last. I'm so tired of quick DMB slice ups or sunlit zweis ending fights in a few hits.. Boring.

    Yes! Crossbows! I love it!

    Renegade, the point really isn't to maximize damage, I shouldn't have suggested the raw idea.
    But I do love the build, and I like doing it exactly the way you said it, 25 is a perfect level for it. I would personally need something more like this tho http://m.mugenmonkey.com/?c=476543895191482814, I need a little more END.
    So I guess it's just a personal toss up here between VIT and END.


    Ill do a knight version for a mid rolling example. Is it necessary to only do starting armor? I like switching things up a bit, please let me know about armor suggestions. IMHO anything we can find or buy before Sens is game, weapons included. I need my iato



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    Re: NO build PVP!

    Post by divinebeanpole on Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:20 pm

    Oh em gee. If we do this, the ghost blade and jagged ghost blades will be viable weapons.... Praise the Sun Praise the Sun Joy


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    Re: NO build PVP!

    Post by User1 on Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:43 pm

    Armour suggestions..

    I only suggested starting armour to make poise stacking impossible. But, anything before Sen's sounds like a better idea, allows for more variety. And, thanks for the build compliment, but if the point was not to maximise damage, may I ask what the reason behind using Magic Weapon was?
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    Post by Myztyrio on Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:45 pm

    Definitely up for this.


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    Re: NO build PVP!

    Post by DemonOfFate on Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:10 pm

    I'd love something like this! If we do something like this, my build would most likely be something like this - http://mmdks.com/1wce Or This - http://mmdks.com/1wci

    One question though, if we're supposed to have a Fight club like thing BEFORE sens, then how do we get the Red Soapstone? Unless of course we go into NG+ but stay at a low SL.


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    Re: NO build PVP!

    Post by User1 on Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:11 pm

    bameegatrops wrote:

    My idea here is to make the journey down to the Eternal Dragon for the Dragon Eye, and PVP in places like the church, the undead parish bridge, lower burg, wherever else.





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    Re: NO build PVP!

    Post by DemonOfFate on Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:13 pm

    Oops, guess i didn't see that... Thanks renegade.


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    Re: NO build PVP!

    Post by User1 on Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:14 pm

    No prob. happy
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    Re: NO build PVP!

    Post by divinebeanpole on Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:02 pm

    I suggested Magic Weapon to apply the way it's meant to, as a spellsword's ally. Still with all weapons at base tho, no upgrading weapons.

    I don't mind poise, but I'm hoping to stay away from the wolf ring if possible, I'm not even too sure how I feel about havels, but I must admit its easy to just grab havels and FaP and be done with it


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    Post by User1 on Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:04 pm

    Unfortunately, there is no choice to choose unupgraded on Mugen. sad

    But, thanks for the recap on it's use, and I usually go with Havel's, FaP ring, since an extra 40 poise is not worth mid rolling in light armour, in my opinion, but still, personal preference comes out on top there.
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    Re: NO build PVP!

    Post by divinebeanpole on Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:38 pm

    I would keep it at just FAP and tiny beings ring, for the slight hp boost, and to even the playing field.
    I would love to see how people will play without the extra 40 and smaller equip loads


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    Re: NO build PVP!

    Post by User1 on Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:39 pm

    I find it hard to part with Havel's, it enables fast roll for me.. sad
    I also play with no poise usually, so it shouldn't be too hard to adapt to.
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    Re: NO build PVP!

    Post by divinebeanpole on Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:47 pm

    Wear less? Smaller weapons? As is usually meant for fast rolling, and that's kinda the point of this anyway. Getting back to basics, if you wanna fast roll, you risk your less armor and stun lock, but gain mobility. Add armor and poise and you lose the roll, but can risk eating up a hit or two. Idk, that's just me


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    Re: NO build PVP!

    Post by User1 on Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:50 pm

    I also left my Pyromancy Flame unupgraded, but that isn't really relevant to the conversation at hand.

    Back to point, I may lose the hood, and replace it. Crown of Dusk maybe?
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    Post by DemonOfFate on Mon Apr 15, 2013 8:51 pm

    We should have havels ring. As you saw my build i top out at 55 poise (All my builds top out at around 53 poise) but without havel's i would be fat rolling. And as we all know, fat rolling is terrible. Fast roll is viable no matter what, mid roll is only viable with around 53 poise IMO.


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    Re: NO build PVP!

    Post by divinebeanpole on Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:16 pm

    So fat roll. It's really not that bad, just don't rely on rolling very much, keep a shield up, block, parry, and unlock when you swing.. I often put on my steel stoneplate and speckled stoneplate ring and fat roll, it's quite a different style of playing, but not to be underestimated, especially with a red Tearstone ring

    But I'm really not against Havels at all, I use it most of the time lol

    If anything we can find or buy before Sens is on the table then ..

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    Re: NO build PVP!

    Post by DemonOfFate on Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:24 pm

    So to become apart of this, i would have to change how i play? Doesn't sound very fair to me... Seriously though, at such a low SL you aren't going to be able to stack much poise and still fast roll. So i don't see abusing Havels ring an issue.

    Plus anyone half decent with a soul arrow will utterly destroy you when fat rolling, or pyromancy, even at such a low sl.

    Edit: I have a Smough build, so i speak from experience.


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    Re: NO build PVP!

    Post by divinebeanpole on Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:37 pm

    Crest and dragon shield exist, warriors round isnt half bad. And no you don't have to change how you play, just saying, fat rolling can be very fun


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    Re: NO build PVP!

    Post by DemonOfFate on Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:41 pm

    I'm quite aware that fat rolling can be fun, i've got a SL 62 smough build, fun as hell, but not very effective against half decent players. Now i'm not saying that every build has to be effective, but it gets boring playing with all odds against you. If we get rid of havel's ring, i'll be able to have maybe 32 poise and mid roll, but with it i can actually make an effective tank type build at SL 25.

    Opposed to Renegades build, where if he removed all that armor and havels ring he wouldn't change his build very much, since that armor wasn't doing much in the first place.


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    Re: NO build PVP!

    Post by divinebeanpole on Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:50 pm

    I say Havel if you want to. I'm choosing not to personally

    I am going to do this tomorrow regardless, people will be pleasantly surprised to find my dragon eye on the undead church stairs


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    Re: NO build PVP!

    Post by User1 on Mon Apr 15, 2013 9:52 pm

    My connection has been utter terrible recently, but if I can make it, I sure will try to get to it.

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