Who is more dangerous?

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    Who is more dangerous?

    Post by Seignar on Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:34 pm

    Let's pretend that both players, each of opposing teams, suddenly meet each other around a corner. They have no code of battle, they will not bow, they will just fight. They are close enough to each other to backstab another if they attempt any sort of buff, but far enough to dodge anything they might immediately attack with (like standard dueling distance).

    Now, the thing is that P1 is a 50 INT character and P2 is a 50 FAI character. Assuming both players have VIT/END the same, who would most likely win? Remember, this was a suprise fight for both players and neither have time to normally buff ahead of time. That is to say that all forms of buffing are to be done with imminent possibility of punishment.

    Note: We only assume VIT/END is the same; gear layout and magic selection is not. You can assume the INT Player only has Soul Spears or they have a mix of Soulmasses and Magic Shields.

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    Re: Who is more dangerous?

    Post by lextune on Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:52 pm

    The more dangerous player is the more dangerous player.

    ....honestly, I don't think it matters a lot if both players are close to one another in skill.

    Hence my "neither" vote.


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    Re: Who is more dangerous?

    Post by Dibsville on Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:53 pm

    Depends on skill and the setup each of them has, if one is using Dusk Crown but the other is not, that one with Dusk Crown will take 10% more damage then it could dish out. Same goes for the entire setup. Also depends on skill of the player.


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    Re: Who is more dangerous?

    Post by GrinTwist on Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:55 pm

    Whoever is actually better with there build. Just because you have better stats doesn't mean your more dangerous, you have the potential to be but you aren't.

    Same goes for the hornet ring user, if he's terrible he isn't dangerous at all but if he knows what to do he's possibly the most dangerous one there.


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    Re: Who is more dangerous?

    Post by Dibsville on Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:25 pm

    GrinTwist wrote:Whoever is actually better with there build. Just because you have better stats doesn't mean your more dangerous, you have the potential to be but you aren't.

    Same goes for the hornet ring user, if he's terrible he isn't dangerous at all but if he knows what to do he's possibly the most dangerous one there.
    Not true, it's very easy to slip up against a terrible person, you tend to put your guard down when you *think* you're going to win.
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    Re: Who is more dangerous?

    Post by RANT on Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:38 pm

    the more dangerous is the laggier one.


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    Re: Who is more dangerous?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Fri Apr 12, 2013 2:15 pm

    There are lots of different builds with 50 faith or 50 int.

    I have a sl 100, 50 faith warrior build that magic just bounces off of, but 50 faith casters are going to be outranged by the int buil


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    Re: Who is more dangerous?

    Post by LunarFog on Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:22 pm

    The hornet ring is the most dangerous. If you're fighting a caster, whether they're faith or int based, you can immediately tell when they have a catalyst or talisman in their hand. When they have a catalyst or talisman in their hand, you can assume they're about to cast a spell. Once you know they're ready to cast spells, you can easily dodge all of them unless there's lag.

    But with the hornet ring, you never know when someone has it on. And a good player can potentially backstab you in the middle of a fight without any lag(I do it all the time).

    If the two casters are fighting each other however....My money is on the int. they have stronger spells and more castings. It doesn't matter who wins though, they're both still losers.


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    Re: Who is more dangerous?

    Post by User1 on Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:27 pm

    Hornet Ring user. The Hornet Ring has uses for parrying and riposte's, and backstabs too. The casters could easily be backstabbed mid way through casting, so I say the Hornet Ring.
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    Re: Who is more dangerous?

    Post by Jansports on Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:33 pm

    It is my opinion that a 50 INT build is potentially the most dangerous build in the game. MLBH to poke Bead to punish attempts to get too close, CSS/HCSM for longer range and set up punishes.

    If Faith had a decent weapon I might think different though
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    Re: Who is more dangerous?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Fri Apr 12, 2013 3:41 pm

    LunarFog wrote:The hornet ring is the most dangerous. If you're fighting a caster, whether they're faith or int based, you can immediately tell when they have a catalyst or talisman in their hand. When they have a catalyst or talisman in their hand, you can assume they're about to cast a spell. Once you know they're ready to cast spells, you can easily dodge all of them unless there's lag.

    But with the hornet ring, you never know when someone has it on. And a good player can potentially backstab you in the middle of a fight without any lag(I do it all the time).

    If the two casters are fighting each other however....My money is on the int. they have stronger spells and more castings. It doesn't matter who wins though, they're both still losers.
    You don't know that the faith build is a caster. http://mmdks.com/1uhn

    I can't say that its the best build around, but it does work very well, especially if I get the right self buff, and If it swaps to the hornet ring or rtsr at low hp, it will parry for 1300. It also has just enough hp to avoid being Ohko'd by any unbuffed build.

    The int build is almost certainly a caster, but even then it could be a hybrid or warrior going to tcc cmw a msgs or claymore, so has little need of the bdcr, so also uses the hornets ring from the start. To many variables to say without more information OP.


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    Re: Who is more dangerous?

    Post by GrinTwist on Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:51 am

    Dibsville wrote:
    GrinTwist wrote:Whoever is actually better with there build. Just because you have better stats doesn't mean your more dangerous, you have the potential to be but you aren't.

    Same goes for the hornet ring user, if he's terrible he isn't dangerous at all but if he knows what to do he's possibly the most dangerous one there.
    Not true, it's very easy to slip up against a terrible person, you tend to put your guard down when you *think* you're going to win.

    True, it's still likely to happen but the chances of that player being able to pull off a backstab or parry normally seem to be less likely. Now there is always lag that plays a bit of a part in every battle and it can help the hornet user, but if that player is new to PVP they won't know how to dodge attacks too well and will be easy to kill.

    It really differs with each interaction you have with people.


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    Re: Who is more dangerous?

    Post by O1va_ on Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:09 am

    LunarFog wrote:And a good player can potentially backstab you in the middle of a fight without any lag(I do it all the time).

    This was the PvP section, PvE doesn't count.
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    Re: Who is more dangerous?

    Post by Juutas on Sat Apr 13, 2013 7:12 am

    Neither.

    Dex/pyro with Crown of Dusk and Chaos blade, nuf said.


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    Re: Who is more dangerous?

    Post by EeAyEss on Sat Apr 13, 2013 1:35 pm

    I chose the faith build because of WotG and GMB. And VoS. Provided they get the time to cast those, anyway.


    If we were talking about Demon's, then the Faith would almost automatically win, since faith boosted magic resistance. And also, faith has massive hp regen, yada yada.


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    Re: Who is more dangerous?

    Post by Forum Pirate on Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:36 pm

    No amount of magic resist would stop the stormruler-fire storm combo killing you in 1 hit.


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    Re: Who is more dangerous?

    Post by Seignar on Sat Apr 13, 2013 2:47 pm

    Firerulers don't exist in Dark Souls.
    Now, Firestabbers are a different story...

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    Re: Who is more dangerous?

    Post by EeAyEss on Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:23 pm

    Forum Pirate wrote:No amount of magic resist would stop the stormruler-fire storm combo killing you in 1 hit.


    Aye, true. silly


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