Are we playing as the Furtive Pygmy in DkSII?

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    Are we playing as the Furtive Pygmy in DkSII?

    Post by bosslugger on Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:57 am

    Something just occurred to me: we have every reason to believe that DkSII is actually a prequel to Dark Souls (dragons, bridge to Ariamis)...we also see the hero wandering around in caves during the announcement trailer.
    Is it possible that we're playing as the Furtive Pygmy, on a quest to find the dark soul?
    It would be a perfect tie-in to Dark Souls.
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    Re: Are we playing as the Furtive Pygmy in DkSII?

    Post by Sargerus on Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:02 pm

    i dont think so, because there are bonfires in DS2 which means Gwyn already linked the flame
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    Re: Are we playing as the Furtive Pygmy in DkSII?

    Post by MistahrFox on Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:03 pm

    Uh...I'm pretty sure he found the dark soul inside the first flame.


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    Re: Are we playing as the Furtive Pygmy in DkSII?

    Post by DE5PA1R on Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:07 pm

    Sargerus wrote:i dont think so, because there are bonfires in DS2 which means Gwyn already linked the flame

    Not necessarily; there were 2 different Undead outbreaks. One before Gwyn linked the flame, and 1 a century-ish before the events of DkS.

    OP is likely wrong for different reasons. No offense intended.

    1. Ariamis timeline is unknown. We see a magic painting, not the world itself.

    2. Dragon timeline is unknown outside of Lordran. We know many or most of the dragons in Lordran were eradicated in ancient times, but we don't know how many fled from Gwyn's army into other regions like Astora.

    3. What Fox said.


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    Re: Are we playing as the Furtive Pygmy in DkSII?

    Post by Tolvo on Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:10 pm

    We've only seen one dragon anyway, and it was undead.

    The others were all Wyvern.

    The one undead dragon we see is the same kind as Kalameet as well, so it isn't even an Everlasting Dragon.
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    Post by ResIsBestStat on Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:10 pm

    Dudes, the developers said the character is a guy who is cursed and is trying to find a cure.
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    Post by sinspaw on Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:21 pm

    Hasn't' it been official stated that it is a prequel though? I'm pretty sure it has. So you're probably right about that, the timeline is different. I really want to know the location of Dks2 but it might take us a while to know that for sure.

    And also... didn't we as a community establish that we were playing as the furtive pigmy in DkS anyway? I doubt it would be the same anyway, and for that matter I do doubt that it's also in Lordran.
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    Post by Tolvo on Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:23 pm

    As a community we've never established anything because everyone has different beliefs on who is what.
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    Post by DE5PA1R on Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:24 pm

    sinspaw wrote:Hasn't' it been official stated that it is a prequel though? I'm pretty sure it has. So you're probably right about that, the timeline is different. I really want to know the location of Dks2 but it might take us a while to know that for sure.

    Nope. It's been stated that it's "not a sequel in terms of story." That's all we got to the best of my knowledge.


    And also... didn't we as a community establish that we were playing as the furtive pigmy in DkS anyway? I doubt it would be the same anyway, and for that matter I do doubt that it's also in Lordran.

    Erm... I don't think so. A lot of people think Manus is the FP. It's been hinted in the dev interviews that the FP was just the human who split the Lord Souls into Humanity fragments in the Age of Ancients.


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    Re: Are we playing as the Furtive Pygmy in DkSII?

    Post by bosslugger on Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:25 pm

    sinspaw wrote:Hasn't' it been official stated that it is a prequel though? I'm pretty sure it has. So you're probably right about that, the timeline is different. I really want to know the location of Dks2 but it might take us a while to know that for sure.

    And also... didn't we as a community establish that we were playing as the furtive pigmy in DkS anyway? I doubt it would be the same anyway, and for that matter I do doubt that it's also in Lordran.

    No. When you decide to side with Darkstalker Kaath, he tells you that yourprogenitor found the fourth soul - the dark soul. You are the Pygmy's ancestor.

    Which is why I'm wondering if we're playing as the Pygmy in DkSII. The bonfire thing is a good point though, I'm not sure about that.
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    Re: Are we playing as the Furtive Pygmy in DkSII?

    Post by GrinTwist on Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:32 pm

    Didn't we see the pygmy (which looks like a hollow) originally pick up the Dark Soul in the beginning of the game?

    He doesn't have any armor on either, which may hint at the fact that armor wasn't developed for the pygmy's kind at that time.

    Also, I know this has already been said but since the bonfires are in fact a in-game feature I doubt for lore reasons that your character could be the pygmy.


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    Re: Are we playing as the Furtive Pygmy in DkSII?

    Post by bosslugger on Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:41 pm

    GrinTwist wrote:Didn't we see the pygmy (which looks like a hollow) originally pick up the Dark Soul in the beginning of the game?

    We did, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be our hero in DkSII.

    GrinTwist wrote:He doesn't have any armor on either, which may hint at the fact that armor wasn't developed for the pygmy's kind at that time.

    That doesn't necessarily mean our hero isn't the Pygmy. Armor can be removed. It's possible to contrive a story mechanism whereby the Pygmy acquires the soul in his "purest form" or somesuch, ie, no armor.

    GrinTwist wrote:Also, I know this has already been said but since the bonfires are in fact a in-game feature I doubt for lore reasons that your character could be the pygmy.

    This one I'm having a hard time with. Gwyn wanted to light the bonfires because he was afraid of the dark (I can't believe I just wrote that). Linking them gave him the ability to warp between areas of Lordran.
    But he also united with Seathe, the Daughters of Chaos, and Nito to defeat the dragons, and yet, here they are, all over this new story.
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    Re: Are we playing as the Furtive Pygmy in DkSII?

    Post by GrinTwist on Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:51 pm

    Dragons? We saw one undead dragon that differed greatly from the one that we saw in Dark Souls, there are a lot of wyverns in the game but they are a different story entirely.

    Also Gwyn wasn't afraid of the dark as much as he was afraid of the age of man because that got Gwyn to realize the time of the Gods was coming to an end.

    Your right armor can be removed, but why remove it in the first place?

    Also let's not forget if there is such a large amount of wyverns in the game with what looks like a different setting entirely what are the chances that the pygmy is looking for the Dark Soul in this game? The Dark Soul along with the other souls of the lords was found in Lordran and from what we see in the gameplay, we aren't in Lordran. (or any part that is recognizable from the last game)


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    Re: Are we playing as the Furtive Pygmy in DkSII?

    Post by Liudeius on Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:56 pm

    I've always been under the impression that the pygmy symbolizes the ENTIRETY of humanity, not a single person.
    That's why all humans have a flame within them (their humanity) and they are not as powerful as the lords (Gwyn, Nito, the Chaos Witch of Izalith)
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    Re: Are we playing as the Furtive Pygmy in DkSII?

    Post by Djem on Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:01 pm

    I don't think we will be anyone in particular. They wont remove the choice of creating our own character.
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    Post by Serious_Much on Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:01 pm

    Considering the pygmy is manus and the fact the character didn't apear to have a tail or a larger left arm.. I'm gonna go ahead and say we wont be playing as a pygmy winking

    Also I call prequel after seeing all the dragons


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    Post by bosslugger on Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:04 pm

    Djem wrote:I don't think we will be anyone in particular. They wont remove the choice of creating our own character.

    Well, we were the Pygmy's ancestor in Dark Souls, and we could be anyone we want, so why not?

    I just can't help but think that the events that occur in DkSII will shape what happened in Dark Souls (ie Oolacile, Ariamis). Obviously there's a direct connection or it wouldn't be called Dark Souls II.
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    Post by MistahrFox on Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:19 pm

    I hope so


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    Post by Cartod on Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:28 pm

    Djem wrote:I don't think we will be anyone in particular. They wont remove the choice of creating our own character.

    Pretty much this.

    I don't think From would let the player be such a prominent and already established figure in the lore, it just doesn't seem like their style to me.

    With all the speculation going around about how Manus might be the Pygmy, I don't think that they would spoil that by saying "No, that's not right because you play as the Pygmy in Dark Souls 2."

    I mean you could argue that both could be true, but that just seems like it would feel awkward to me.

    I understand that this post is basically one big vague opinion, but it's just how I feel. Shrug

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    Post by bosslugger on Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:14 pm

    Cartod wrote:
    Djem wrote:I don't think we will be anyone in particular. They wont remove the choice of creating our own character.

    Pretty much this.

    I don't think From would let the player be such a prominent and already established figure in the lore, it just doesn't seem like their style to me.

    With all the speculation going around about how Manus might be the Pygmy, I don't think that they would spoil that by saying "No, that's not right because you play as the Pygmy in Dark Souls 2."

    I mean you could argue that both could be true, but that just seems like it would feel awkward to me.

    I understand that this post is basically one big vague opinion, but it's just how I feel. Shrug

    It's a good point. I forgot about the speculation re: Manus at the Pygmy.
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    Post by Djem on Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:35 pm

    bosslugger wrote:
    Djem wrote:I don't think we will be anyone in particular. They wont remove the choice of creating our own character.

    Well, we were the Pygmy's ancestor in Dark Souls, and we could be anyone we want, so why not?

    I just can't help but think that the events that occur in DkSII will shape what happened in Dark Souls (ie Oolacile, Ariamis). Obviously there's a direct connection or it wouldn't be called Dark Souls II.

    Yeah, the Pygmy is our progenitor. I always assumed the Pygmy is simply the first of humans since he found the Dark Soul, which is Humanity. Which means Pygmy is the progenitor of EVERY human.

    Which means our character in Dark Souls was nothing special at the beginning. I'm pretty sure it will be the same in Dark Souls II.

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    Post by bosslugger on Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:57 pm

    Could we possibly be playing as Gwyn? Before he enlists the help of the four Lords to strike down the dragons?
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    Post by morte on Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:04 pm

    bosslugger wrote:Could we possibly be playing as Gwyn? Before he enlists the help of the four Lords to strike down the dragons?

    If we were, the example character would have had miracles that he used and would have had the beard that one of our covenants so diligently worships.


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    Post by bosslugger on Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:06 pm

    morte wrote:
    bosslugger wrote:Could we possibly be playing as Gwyn? Before he enlists the help of the four Lords to strike down the dragons?

    If we were, the example character would have had miracles that he used and would have had the beard that one of our covenants so diligently worships.

    Not necessarily. We don't know when this takes place. In Dark Souls, Gwyn is an old man, and a father. In this game, he could be just starting out, on his quest to remove the curse of darkness, looking for the four Lords to defeat the dragons...it seems to fit.

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