How significant is Defense Rating?

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    How significant is Defense Rating?

    Post by Sneezer on Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:23 pm

    How important and significant is the armor/defense rating? Does 30 points or so really make a difference worth sacrificing for? I know the calculations vs. AR are a little wonky and hard to judge, but what would you all say from your experiences?


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    Re: How significant is Defense Rating?

    Post by LunarFog on Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:36 pm

    Here's a video that will explain everything you need to know about Defense and AR. It'll be much better than anyone else on these forums can tell you on a whim.



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    Re: How significant is Defense Rating?

    Post by Juutas on Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:36 pm

    Someone made somekind of research on this and all I can remember is that after 400 def the difference is almost non-existant.
    From my own experince I can say that yes, def has importance, but not much. 30 def doesn't really show in anything but 100 already shows a little.
    Most noticable is when you fight with someone with full Giant/Havel setup, but other than that I don't see a MAJOR difference.


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    Re: How significant is Defense Rating?

    Post by Latitoast on Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:37 pm

    I just use what I think looks cool.


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    Re: How significant is Defense Rating?

    Post by lordgodofhell on Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:12 pm

    While that video does a great job to show how important defense is, I don't find it to be important.

    Dodging and poise always seem to trump defense ratings. Higher health investment has always resulted in better results for me than higher end investment for more defense points.

    Also, 500 Ar is low and that is the extent the video goes to. Many pvpers will be using buffs or true strength weps 2 handed with ARs from 700-1000+. At that point, due to increasing returns and crit attacks, defense becomes down right meaningless.


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    Re: How significant is Defense Rating?

    Post by Rynn on Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:31 pm

    defense is good, but don't sacrifice for it.
    Versus a weapon with 470 AR, I take 240 damage a hit with 420 slash defense. With 470 slash defense I then take 204 damage. With 630 slash defense, i take 167. For a point of reference, this shows that stacking defense is good, but it is not worth making sacrifices for. Despite this, the ring of steel and protection is a larger net increase to your effective HP than a Tiny Beings Ring under nearly all circumstances.
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    Re: How significant is Defense Rating?

    Post by RANT on Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:55 pm

    imo poise is actually more important than defense rating, high defense rating doesn't make much of a difference when you go up against a buffed weapon, you're still gonna die in three hits or less.


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    Re: How significant is Defense Rating?

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:40 pm

    Who cares about how quickly buffed weapons will kill you? Just kite them. Defense is worth sacrificing vitality in some cases, but it depends on how much defense you're getting and how much health you are giving up. The graph in Lunarfog's video gives you a good general idea.


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    Re: How significant is Defense Rating?

    Post by RANT on Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:04 pm

    Saturday-Saint wrote:Who cares about how quickly buffed weapons will kill you? Just kite them. Defense is worth sacrificing vitality in some cases, but it depends on how much defense you're getting and how much health you are giving up. The graph in Lunarfog's video gives you a good general idea.

    you might've heard about dead angling, a good pvp'er wont just stand there and let you kite or tank.


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    Re: How significant is Defense Rating?

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:24 pm

    It's easier to kite somebody than it is to chase down somebody who is kiting you.


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    Re: How significant is Defense Rating?

    Post by Juutas on Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:06 am

    RantFromRant wrote:
    Saturday-Saint wrote:Who cares about how quickly buffed weapons will kill you? Just kite them. Defense is worth sacrificing vitality in some cases, but it depends on how much defense you're getting and how much health you are giving up. The graph in Lunarfog's video gives you a good general idea.

    you might've heard about dead angling, a good pvp'er wont just stand there and let you kite or tank.

    I'm very glad that those players who buff their weapons rarely are good players.


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    Re: How significant is Defense Rating?

    Post by FungalPsychosis on Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:26 am

    Juutas wrote:
    RantFromRant wrote:
    Saturday-Saint wrote:Who cares about how quickly buffed weapons will kill you? Just kite them. Defense is worth sacrificing vitality in some cases, but it depends on how much defense you're getting and how much health you are giving up. The graph in Lunarfog's video gives you a good general idea.
    you might've heard about dead angling, a good pvp'er wont just stand there and let you kite or tank.
    I'm very glad that those players who buff their weapons rarely are good players.
    This


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    Re: How significant is Defense Rating?

    Post by xenon_nobelium on Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:53 am

    but when they are you're toast ^^
    ot: i'd say for a melee build you want to have around 300phys def. before applying humanity. @ 350phys def. a lot of the elemental weapons do embarrassing dmg to you (compared to +15 versions). it would help if you posted the exact numbers you're playing around with...


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    Re: How significant is Defense Rating?

    Post by Jansports on Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:39 am

    Because of my extensive use of a certain armor set up I'm so used to having ~300 defence everywhere

    When I use like 3 piece giants and have 400 physical defences I really notice it. I should honestly use heavier armor more I think to myself.

    Starting to prefer Havel's to Wolf because of it.
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    Re: How significant is Defense Rating?

    Post by CrackSouls on Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:43 am

    As many have said before me, poise usually trumps defense. Many of my characters are set up so that if I swap a ring out for Wolf Ring, they will have 53+ poise.

    This wiki explains all you really need to know.


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    Re: How significant is Defense Rating?

    Post by xRamenatorx on Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:47 pm

    It would be intersesting if poise was tied into your physical defense rating (i.e. 345 def equals 53 poise); this is usually how it works anyways without the wolf ring. This way though you could stack some poise with light armor like the gold trimmed set. The steel ring would be slightly more viable aswell i geuss

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