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    +10 or +4 lightning zwei or +5 BKGS

    Post by Azuzu15 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:59 am

    which one? and um I need some tips on using ultra great swords because currently i have about 36 str 24 dex 31 end and im using life hunt scyth but i wanna try something new


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    Re: +10 or +4 lightning zwei or +5 BKGS

    Post by Dibsville on Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:59 am

    BKGS


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    Re: +10 or +4 lightning zwei or +5 BKGS

    Post by User1 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:03 pm

    Lightning Zwei AKA Zaphander

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    Re: +10 or +4 lightning zwei or +5 BKGS

    Post by densetsushun on Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:06 pm

    Greatsword.


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    Re: +10 or +4 lightning zwei or +5 BKGS

    Post by Latitoast on Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:06 pm

    Ultra Greatswords are easy to use

    you just have to get your turtle speed to work


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    Re: +10 or +4 lightning zwei or +5 BKGS

    Post by Azuzu15 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 3:27 pm

    im at about medium speed. and currently BKGS in the lead. only thing i see the zaphander has better than the GS is a slightly longer distance and faster R2's


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    Re: +10 or +4 lightning zwei or +5 BKGS

    Post by Elifia on Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:00 pm

    I'm currently using a lightning zwei (on my SL55). It's awesome. BS-fishers automatically get dead-angled when locked on, and you can lock off to dead-angle parry spammers/turtles. It can stun-lock. It breaks poise real fast. What else can you want? I have decimated entire 3vs1 groups just swinging wildly silly Well, not wildly, I aim and time each swing pretty well, but it looks like swinging wildly to them.
    Oh, and R2 is next to useless. Maybe if someone misses with a greataxe/hammer, you punish em, but otherwise I'd stick to regular r1 or roll-pokes.


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    Re: +10 or +4 lightning zwei or +5 BKGS

    Post by JamieJae on Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:03 pm

    My vote is for Zaphander, based off of using an off hand Zaphander I can say it is by far the easiest weapon to dead angle with


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    Re: +10 or +4 lightning zwei or +5 BKGS

    Post by Azuzu15 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:37 pm

    my zaphander only does about 340 dmg to people but the GS does like 450 sigh... tough decisions.


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    Re: +10 or +4 lightning zwei or +5 BKGS

    Post by User1 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:12 pm

    Zaphander is surprising against some people. No poise people will get wrecked by it.
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    Re: +10 or +4 lightning zwei or +5 BKGS

    Post by Elifia on Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:18 pm

    RenegadeCop wrote:Zaphander is surprising against some people. No poise people will get wrecked by it.

    As long as it's below 76 they're dead if they get hit happy Stunlock! And unless they are full havels with wolf ring, a second hit will do this anyways, because the zwei can stunlock straight through any amount of poise as long as it gets that first stagger.


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    Re: +10 or +4 lightning zwei or +5 BKGS

    Post by Azuzu15 on Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:14 pm

    meh my BKGS just wrecks people... i might try and make my zwei +15 once i go into new londo.


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    Re: +10 or +4 lightning zwei or +5 BKGS

    Post by WaffleGuy on Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:51 pm

    Also keep in mind that the Zwei and Greatsword - although, not by much differance - are faster than the other ultra's :mask-father:


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    Re: +10 or +4 lightning zwei or +5 BKGS

    Post by Ghadis_God on Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:01 am

    Don't use a zaphander with those stats, use a +15 Zweihander, it'll do more damage with your stats. The BKGS will as well, either one is good.


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    Re: +10 or +4 lightning zwei or +5 BKGS

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Sun Apr 07, 2013 3:37 am

    Ghadis_God wrote:use a +15 Zweihander


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    Re: +10 or +4 lightning zwei or +5 BKGS

    Post by densetsushun on Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:06 am

    Greatsword > Zwei. TARKUUUUUUS


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    Re: +10 or +4 lightning zwei or +5 BKGS

    Post by Elifia on Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:23 am

    densetsushun wrote:Greatsword > Zwei. TARKUUUUUUS

    I compared the Greatzap to the Zaphander, they do the same damage, they have practically the same moves (only R2 is different), only the Greatzap has higher requirements and greater weight. So I prefer the Zaphander happy


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    Re: +10 or +4 lightning zwei or +5 BKGS

    Post by densetsushun on Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:07 am

    Elifia wrote:
    densetsushun wrote:Greatsword > Zwei. TARKUUUUUUS

    I compared the Greatzap to the Zaphander, they do the same damage, they have practically the same moves (only R2 is different), only the Greatzap has higher requirements and greater weight. So I prefer the Zaphander happy
    It's not about the AR, it's about its superior R2's(much more useful than the smack) and its personality. If we talk about pure stats, Zwei wins out by weight and lower requirements. But that's not the point when I talk about GS>Zwei silly


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    Re: +10 or +4 lightning zwei or +5 BKGS

    Post by Elifia on Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:20 am

    densetsushun wrote:
    Elifia wrote:
    densetsushun wrote:Greatsword > Zwei. TARKUUUUUUS

    I compared the Greatzap to the Zaphander, they do the same damage, they have practically the same moves (only R2 is different), only the Greatzap has higher requirements and greater weight. So I prefer the Zaphander happy
    It's not about the AR, it's about its superior R2's(much more useful than the smack) and its personality. If we talk about pure stats, Zwei wins out by weight and lower requirements. But that's not the point when I talk about GS>Zwei silly

    With personality you mean that it's used by Tarkus, and everybody loves Tarkus? Honestly, the R2 is useless either way because it's too slow and the hitbox is too small. If somebody screws up enough to let you hit them with the R2, then you might just as well use the 'smack'. And I can still poke with the zwei if I do a little roll first, much faster too happy


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    Re: +10 or +4 lightning zwei or +5 BKGS

    Post by Dibsville on Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:21 am

    Elifia wrote:
    densetsushun wrote:
    Elifia wrote:
    densetsushun wrote:Greatsword > Zwei. TARKUUUUUUS

    I compared the Greatzap to the Zaphander, they do the same damage, they have practically the same moves (only R2 is different), only the Greatzap has higher requirements and greater weight. So I prefer the Zaphander happy
    It's not about the AR, it's about its superior R2's(much more useful than the smack) and its personality. If we talk about pure stats, Zwei wins out by weight and lower requirements. But that's not the point when I talk about GS>Zwei silly

    With personality you mean that it's used by Tarkus, and everybody loves Tarkus? Honestly, the R2 is useless either way because it's too slow and the hitbox is too small. If somebody screws up enough to let you hit them with the R2, then you might just as well use the 'smack'. And I can still poke with the zwei if I do a little roll first, much faster too happy
    The R2 is the rolling R1 without the roll, it can catch people off guard.


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    Re: +10 or +4 lightning zwei or +5 BKGS

    Post by densetsushun on Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:22 am

    Well no, the color of the metal, the banged up look, the fact that it's massive, it looks and feels like an UGS. And the point of the R2 is that nobody sees it coming silly


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    Re: +10 or +4 lightning zwei or +5 BKGS

    Post by Azuzu15 on Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:51 am

    Ghadis_God wrote:Don't use a zaphander with those stats, use a +15 Zweihander, it'll do more damage with your stats. The BKGS will as well, either one is good.
    For that i must go into new londo im afraid of ghosts sad


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    Re: +10 or +4 lightning zwei or +5 BKGS

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    Re: +10 or +4 lightning zwei or +5 BKGS

    Post by Ghadis_God on Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:59 am

    Either way, no point in using a lightning weapon if you're going to put points into scaling stats. You've already put points into those stats, so +15 will be most effective. Besides, you ought to kill the ghosts in one hit by now, and I usually get the Very Large Ember before Sen's if I'm doing a stat scaling build.


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    Re: +10 or +4 lightning zwei or +5 BKGS

    Post by Azuzu15 on Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:03 pm

    you know whats funny. you guys love tarkus so much the regular greatsword somehow got into my options lol. And I only have one transient curse.. lol if anyone wants to be my ghost buster Add me on psn... Azuzu15


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