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    Post by chainsaw on Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:28 pm

    Hi hope someone can help me I am currently equipped with a ring of favor and protection and a ring of sons 1st born which boosts my miracles 20% I believe if I remove ring of favor (destroying it) and equip another ring of sons 1st born will that stack and boost my miracles another 20% and if so would it be worth losing the stats from ring of favor? My miracle level is 57 and I wear the crown of dusk
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    Re: stacking effects

    Post by LunarFog on Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:30 pm

    You can't equip two of the same ring.

    Even if you could, I don't think 20% miracle power would be worth 20% health, 20% stamina, AND 20% weight equipment.

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    Re: stacking effects

    Post by WandererReece on Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:17 pm

    The game won't even give you the option to equip 2 of the same ring, but you can equip other stuff that have similar effects. Red Tearstone Ring and Power Within will increase the damage of everything. Crown of Dusk will increase all magic damage. Ring of the Sun Princess will boost a few, not all, miracles.


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    Re: stacking effects

    Post by User1 on Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:35 pm

    I like to use the Red and Blue Tearstone Rings early in the game, in conjunction. They can be very effective.
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    Post by lonewolf on Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:07 am

    you are not able to use two of the same rings why do you think the gankers does not use two hornets


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    Re: stacking effects

    Post by User1 on Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:10 am

    Red and blue.

    They are two different rings.
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    Post by Forum Pirate on Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:13 am

    lonewolf wrote:you are not able to use two of the same rings why do you think the gankers does not use two hornets
    Oh god. 1200 damage uchi bs. *shudder*


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    Post by lonewolf on Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:16 am

    i would not want to get double horneted with a chaos zwei :pale:


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    Re: stacking effects

    Post by User1 on Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:17 am

    The person doing that would have some real skill..
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    Re: stacking effects

    Post by WandererReece on Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:46 am

    lonewolf wrote:you are not able to use two of the same rings why do you think the gankers does not use two hornets

    ... or 2 havel's rings. +100% equipment load.


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    Post by User1 on Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:10 am

    I dread to think.
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    Post by Forum Pirate on Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:35 am

    +100% and +50%+50% are different. 80+100% is 160. 80+50% is 120. 120+50% is 180. I'm pretty sure it would be 180, as thats how the others stack.


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    Post by WandererReece on Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:23 am

    ^ It's more OP then I thought. lol!


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    Post by lonewolf on Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:10 pm


    run havel is on his way


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    Re: stacking effects

    Post by Hugh_G_Johnson on Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:34 pm

    Just to clarify the actual percentage... two Havel's rings would be an overall 125% increase in equipment capacity:

    100 + .5(100) = 100 + 50 = 150 ...... first ring

    150 + .5 (150) = 150 + 75 = 225 ...... second ring

    225 - 100 = 125 ...... overall increase in capacity

    125/100 = 125% ...... percentage increase

    100 + 1.25(100) = 100 + 125 = 225 ...... theoretical final capacity


    You're adding two halves (a whole or 100%) plus half of the first half (a quarter or 25%).


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    Re: stacking effects

    Post by Dibsville on Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:38 pm

    Stacking doesn't work like that.
    Even if you could equip two of the rings, it would be 40%.
    Look at Dusk Crown and Bellowing, it should be around +70%, not +40%.


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    Re: stacking effects

    Post by Hugh_G_Johnson on Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:46 pm

    I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say Dibs, but it makes perfect sense stacking BDCR and the dusk crown will yield around a 40% increase in damage. The crown of dusk increase magic by 20% and the BDCR increases it by 20-26%. For the sake of simplicity if we'll look at BDCR at a 20% increase...

    Increasing damage by 20% would of course yield 120% of the original damage potential. Increasing that by another 20% would make the overall damage increase 44%. Looking at a spell that (conveniently) causes 100 damage:

    100 + .2(100) = 100 + 20 = 120 ....... new damage for 1 item only

    .2(120) = 24 .................................. added damage after equipping second item

    20 + 24 = 44 ............................... total increase from stacking

    44/100 = 44% ............................ percentage increase from stacking



    Sparing everyone the math (including and especially myself) the high end (26% on the BDCR) would yield a 51.2% increase in damage output.

    Open up mugenmonkey and the calculator and experiment with items that stack (ie father mask, Havel's and ring of F&P or mother mask and F&P). You'll see that even in the year 2013 algebra is still going strong.



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