You know, sitting at 300 AR... the drakesword actually might be the best straightsword in the game.

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    You know, sitting at 300 AR... the drakesword actually might be the best straightsword in the game.

    Post by Rynn on Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:02 am

    First off, a player must look at modifiers while I make this statement. A lucern sitting at 340 AR will do more damage with a light attack than a rapier with 340 AR, despite doing the same damage types. Some heavy attacks do more damage than other heavy attacks, as well... where am I going with this?

    A broadsword with 340 AR one handed will do the exact same amount of damage as a Drakesword +5. So the slope here is that 300 AR = 340 with other straight swords for it's light attacks. The heavy attacks of the Drakesword also have a pretty good slope on them, with 300 AR being the same as about 328 AR with a broadsword.

    Two handed, light attacks with the drakesword = the equivalent of 342 AR, and the drakeswords heavy attack does 260 AR worth of damage, with the shockwave having power much higher than achievable by a broadsword. (You're hitting about 412 non-counter) This is all for 16 strength and 10 dex. To build a broadsword up to 340 AR you'd need 31 strength 22 dex, or a similar stat spread. You save 27 points, 12 of which, if fast rolling, are then refunded into endurance for the weapons weight difference.

    So if the straight sword is only standing on it's own merits... and not those of Sunlight Blade, Darkmoon Blade, or Crystal Magic Weapon, then the drake sword seems to be the obvious choice for a non-magic enforced build. If you're including magic in your build for the sake of weapon buffs though, I'd suggest another straight sword: perhaps the crystal straight sword? It's the longest one and swings slightly faster.

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    Re: You know, sitting at 300 AR... the drakesword actually might be the best straightsword in the game.

    Post by User1 on Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:30 am

    I can agree on this statement if the build you are using it on is using the minimum requirements only. But, otherwise, Broadsword is best sword. happy
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    Re: You know, sitting at 300 AR... the drakesword actually might be the best straightsword in the game.

    Post by Djem on Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:32 am

    Crystal Straight Sword looks great, but I never liked the fact that Crystal weapons can't be repaired.
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    Re: You know, sitting at 300 AR... the drakesword actually might be the best straightsword in the game.

    Post by Rynn on Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:42 am

    The stats required to make a broadsword do more damage is enough levels to fully invest in either taking 2 more hits if you had low vit, or adding spells to your repitiour for more variety.

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    Post by User1 on Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:46 am

    As X has proven with his build, you can make a capable build at sl120 with high vit, endurance, and able to use the Broadsword and most other weapons very effectively. While adding more vitality or anything else to your repertoire would be helpful, if you are making a competitive PvP build, it won't do too much good.
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    Post by Rynn on Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:57 am

    Fair Enough ^-^... Well, I've just seen that the unique moveset and higher range of the Drakesword and Crystal Straight Sword seems to more then make up for it's damage is all... The Crystal Straight Sword especially, with how it swings faster then other straight swords, while also being the longest.

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    Post by User1 on Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:03 am

    I will admit this clearly, that the Crystal Straight Sword and the Drake Sword are much better at lower levels. But, I can pointlessly reinforce my point of how good the Broadsword is in comparison later on. I was summoned while my sign was down while waiting to be summoned at your FC by a guy called SnobbishBoss. I think he invaded your world at some point during the FC. He summoned me, and he was using the BKGA. His attacks were quite slow in comparison to mine. I went around them, and punished him with a 2h r2 from the Broadsword each time, for 600 damage. 3 of them, and he was dead. This is the best part. He said "What was that?" I told him it was the Broadsword. He thought I was lying. So many people underestimate this weapon. I tell him once again it is, and now, he is using it. Looks like I have made another Broadsword user. And I was happy for it. Bow before the might of the Broadsword! silly
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    Post by The Letter X on Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:05 am

    The Balder Side Sword is the best straightsword as much as I hate to admit it.


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    Post by User1 on Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:06 am

    I love the 2h r2's, as much as I hate to admit it too.
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    Post by The Letter X on Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:07 am

    It has the highest potential for damage output for its weight, and it only has DEX scaling. It's even longer than the rest of the straightswords.


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    Post by User1 on Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:08 am

    The only qualm I have with it is that it is horrendously overused. And usually used badly.
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    Post by The Letter X on Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:11 am

    And that's where its downfall comes in. Its overuse has allowed me to learn a couple of counters to it.

    Its greatest weakness is that it is the strongest, heh.


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    Post by User1 on Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:13 am

    I never thought of it that way, but that's a good point. I have learned to parry the BSS quite easily now. The build I usually fight you with originally used the BSS, but the build is months old. Knowing that it has become highly overused since I used it has forced me to give it up, which is a shame to me.
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    Re: You know, sitting at 300 AR... the drakesword actually might be the best straightsword in the game.

    Post by Rynn on Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:14 am

    RenegadeCop wrote:I will admit this clearly, that the Crystal Straight Sword and the Drake Sword are much better at lower levels. But, I can pointlessly reinforce my point of how good the Broadsword is in comparison later on. I was summoned while my sign was down while waiting to be summoned at your FC by a guy called SnobbishBoss. I think he invaded your world at some point during the FC. He summoned me, and he was using the BKGA. His attacks were quite slow in comparison to mine. I went around them, and punished him with a 2h r2 from the Broadsword each time, for 600 damage. 3 of them, and he was dead. This is the best part. He said "What was that?" I told him it was the Broadsword. He thought I was lying. So many people underestimate this weapon. I tell him once again it is, and now, he is using it. Looks like I have made another Broadsword user. And I was happy for it. Bow before the might of the Broadsword! silly
    he had his red sign down and i summoned him. He was fun. I recall you talkin of that btw, I know Broadsword does quite a lot of damage. Honestly all straight swords have a rediculously high two handed modifier: I mentioned once, back before we fully understood two handing and how it worked, that they get the largest damage boost from two handing of any ingame weapon silly.

    I think the range advantage, combined with the additional speed of the crystal straightsword would make it an interesting buff conduit, and i also think the drakesword is a -lot- better at SL 120 then you're probably giving it credit for lol!

    Anyway, I came to this conclusion because I'm currently filming a video where my weapon is the Drake Sword, and even though I got a +15 broadsword I switch to Drake when invaded.

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    Post by User1 on Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:21 am

    I never knew they had such a high 2h modifier in comparison to other weapon classes. I did mention to him that we had a fight club going on, and that he could join in, so I think that's why he put his sign down. And yes, he was a good sport, for how easily I beat him. And are we going to get to see this video in your recorded video archive on Twitch?
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    Post by The Letter X on Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:24 am

    I'm just going to say this because I can: the Broadsword deals the most stamina damage against shields out of the straightswords.


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    Post by Rynn on Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:29 am

    If you take any +0 weapon and two hand it against the first hollows in the game, you'll do inbetween 30% to 65% more damage then before.
    If you take any straight sword that is +0 and two hand it against the first hollows in the game, you'll do 110% more damage then before.

    And X, that title goes to the Crystal one silly...
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    Post by The Letter X on Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:30 am

    Who bothers using the crystal straightsword? Do you even lift?


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    Post by Rynn on Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:31 am

    I lift a lot! Why, I just struck someone for 670 damage with one of these, and no, it's not a hacked version, though he accused me of it ^-^.

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    Post by User1 on Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:32 am

    +20 Crystal Greatsword = Ton of fun.
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    Post by The Letter X on Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:42 am

    People accuse me of hacking for stunlocking with two different weapons. silly

    On a serious note about the crystal straightsword, which weapon(s) does it share its moveset with?


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    Post by User1 on Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:44 am

    I believe it shares the moveset with the Broadsword.
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    Post by Rynn on Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:54 am

    I believe it shares it's moveset with the Shortsword, Barbed Straight Sword, and Broadsword. It has the same rolling attack as a Katana though. (Which is actually probably just an illusion. The drakesword does the same rolling attack, but since Crystal SS is faster then other straightswords it's closer to a katana slash with the roll)

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    Post by User1 on Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:57 am

    I thought I missed something. But, still..

    This is the praise that the Broadsword is worthy of.
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    Post by The Letter X on Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:58 am

    Broadsword: the original slash-only straightsword.


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