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    Questions on defeating Manus as a sorcerer

    Post by PyroMage on Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:53 am

    I'm trying to beat Manus for the first time and he is proving to be quite a challenge. I'm mostly using sorcery, but I have the Eagle shield upgraded to +14. This is fine for the first phase of the battle, where he uses physical attacks - stamina is holding up well, and I can take the 5% damage that goes through the Eagle shield. However when he starts releasing the volley of dark balls (the ones that spread out towards me in a fan shape - is this dark bead?), they seem to just go straight through my shield and kill me in one go. Would I be better off with a higher stability shield like the Greatshield of Artorias? The trouble is I'm about 10 strength points short of being able to use it, and already being level 70 something it will cost a lot of souls to get to the point of being able to use it. Is it worth it or will the dark magic go straight through that too? As a sorcerer I wanted to avoid spreading myself too thinly by putting lots of points into strength, but I'll do it if it's going to be a big help. I'd have to reduce my armour to cope with the increased weight (wanting to stay below 50% load) but hopefully that will be ok.
    I know I can use the silver pendant to block his magic, but I presume it only blocks for the duration of the animation when you use it, and doesn't have any lasting effect? I'm not sure my reactions are quick enough to switch from Estus flasks when he releases magic, use the pendant, then switch back again! Maybe I'm getting too old for games as hard as this. happy
    He takes a lot of hits doesn't he?! I'm throwing all my dark beads at him, but they're only doing a maximum of 350 damage (if all balls hit, with Bellowing dragoncrest ring equipped) and you only get 6 of them. Also using soul spears, varieties of soul arrows, and homing soulmass, which do even less (homing soulmass in particular seems pretty rubbish against him). Not sure I'm going to have enough to throw at him to finish this fight!
    Thanks for your help people.
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    Re: Questions on defeating Manus as a sorcerer

    Post by Automancer on Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:02 am

    If you can't properly tank hits, then reduce the weight you have and dodge a lot. The dark bead you're talking about is a little tricky. When i first tried, i got hit even after i dodged. You need to delay your dodge just before it hits you.

    When Manus uses the version of Dark Bead that surrounds you, you either unlock and block the magic from behind you or you run up towards Manus. Those spells never touch him so you're safe there. Manus actually has a lot of opening you can use to get hits in. Just keep trying, once you get the hang of his attacks and movements, you'll know what to do.

    Lastly, Crest Shield if you want to be fast or Stone Greatshield and Havel's if you want to tank.


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    Re: Questions on defeating Manus as a sorcerer

    Post by PyroMage on Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:14 am

    Ok thanks for the advice. I'm currently wearing Havel's armour so maybe I'll try it without, at less than 25% load for quicker dodging. And if I still have problems I'll put some points in strength and use a tougher shield.
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    Re: Questions on defeating Manus as a sorcerer

    Post by Zyrrashijn on Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:15 am

    I had some struggling with him, too. It is quite a workload for a glasscannon.
    1. You can dodge his attacks and his spells. It just requires minimum midroll and some practice. For the Dark Bead roll sideways. For the Dark Rain thing move/roll backwards. And for the Ring thats homing in, press towards Manus. The projectiles will dissapear right before him. It's a bit difficult, that ringthing nearly always got me.
    2. Switch to another shield, crest shield or silver knight shield will do the job.
    3. Try to summon some distraction like a melee phantom (call me if you're on PC, i would gladly help out) and/or Sif (though he's a bit difficult to find right in mid-battle)
    4. If you are proficient with pyromancy, use fire orbs instead of dark magic plus soulspears and whatever you like. But don't go with chaos spells, you'll need all the arsenal you've got to whittle his HP away.


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    Re: Questions on defeating Manus as a sorcerer

    Post by Automancer on Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:17 am

    PyroMage wrote:Ok thanks for the advice. I'm currently wearing Havel's armour so maybe I'll try it without, at less than 25% load for quicker dodging. And if I still have problems I'll put some points in strength and use a tougher shield.

    If you can't wield the greatshields and you're build isn't geared towards strength, just use the Crest shield.


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    Re: Questions on defeating Manus as a sorcerer

    Post by Pilgrim34 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:33 am

    The crest shield is the best bet for most characters. A good strategy is to try and stay as close as you can to him and 2-hand your weapon. All you really need to watch out for are his combos, if you are either side of him the magic won't get you.

    It also really helps to have a summon. Manus is pretty tough and it took me about 10 minutes to solo him using this approach and a lightning claymore (most I could hit him for with this was around 210 dmg), and it's difficult to keep up thesort of intensive dodging and concentration which this tactic requires for that amount of time.


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    Re: Questions on defeating Manus as a sorcerer

    Post by PyroMage on Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:38 am

    Sounds like the crest shield is the way to go then. I did try once using it, but the initial physical attacks were taking too much of my stamina so I died early on. Presumably if I can get to the next phase, the high magic resistance of the crest shield will be better at blocking his dark orbs than the Eagle shield anyway..?
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    Re: Questions on defeating Manus as a sorcerer

    Post by Rynn on Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:42 am

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    Re: Questions on defeating Manus as a sorcerer

    Post by PyroMage on Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:14 am

    I can't at the moment as I'm at work, but can do later...
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    Re: Questions on defeating Manus as a sorcerer

    Post by Pilgrim34 on Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:02 am

    PyroMage wrote:Sounds like the crest shield is the way to go then. I did try once using it, but the initial physical attacks were taking too much of my stamina so I died early on. Presumably if I can get to the next phase, the high magic resistance of the crest shield will be better at blocking his dark orbs than the Eagle shield anyway..?

    Exactly this, if you do your dodging right you really shouldn't need to be blocking his melee attacks all that much.


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    Re: Questions on defeating Manus as a sorcerer

    Post by Maneater_Mildred on Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:31 pm

    You will want to upgrade that crest shield if you are going to use it. Or it will drain too much stamina when you block^


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    Re: Questions on defeating Manus as a sorcerer

    Post by Ghadis_God on Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:55 pm

    You don't need to use the Crest Shield, as Manus' magic will knock it away anyway. Keep your Eagle shield for blocking his melee, and your silver pendant for his magic, expect for the rain, which you should dodge. In fact, you should keep the pendant out at all times and switch to your flask when you need to heal instead. As long as you use the pendant multiple times in a row, his magic shouldn't be able to hit you. Also, keep a good backup weapon like the Moonlight Greatsword, because it's very likely you will run out of spells before you kill him.


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    Re: Questions on defeating Manus as a sorcerer

    Post by Animaaal on Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:15 pm

    Ghadis_God wrote:You don't need to use the Crest Shield, as Manus' magic will knock it away anyway. Keep your Eagle shield for blocking his melee, and your silver pendant for his magic, expect for the rain, which you should dodge. In fact, you should keep the pendant out at all times and switch to your flask when you need to heal instead. As long as you use the pendant multiple times in a row, his magic shouldn't be able to hit you. Also, keep a good backup weapon like the Moonlight Greatsword, because it's very likely you will run out of spells before you kill him.

    This exactly. Everything this says...do it.

    The only thing I would add is do not use any sorceries. Use all pyro. And maybe instead of the MLGS, maybe a ele Claymore (assuming you have the stats for the MLGS).

    You'll get wecked if he catches in a combo with the Crest. Silver Pendant all the way bro.

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    Re: Questions on defeating Manus as a sorcerer

    Post by psychichobo on Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:32 pm

    Consider the Butterfly Horn perhaps too? Good bit of reach on that thing might come in handy. Just a suggestion more than anything mind, not tried a Sorc yet...

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    Re: Questions on defeating Manus as a sorcerer

    Post by PyroMage on Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:46 am

    I did it! Finally defeated him last night. The advice that worked for me was:
    I kept to minimum weight for quick dodging.
    Used Eagle shield (+14) rather than Crest shield, which is great protection against the physical attacks, as some of these are harder to dodge than others.
    Used pyro (great fireball) at the start of the fight (before he starts using magic) as it's close range. Used these up, then switched to sorcery and backed away.
    Once his magic starts, I switched to silver pendant rather than estus, and used this whenever he launched magic. Keeping quite far from him during this stage seems easier since it buys you some time to use the pendant. It takes a bit of practice to get the timing right, but got the hang of it in the end.
    He doesn't often seem to do two magic attacks in a row, so after each launch is a good time to spam him with long range sorcery.
    I didn't hold a melee weapon at all, just flame and catalyst. I have five slots, which I used for great fireball, crystal soul spear, soul spear, dark bead, and great heavy soul arrow. I needed all of that except for the last few GHSAs.
    Thanks guys!
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    Re: Questions on defeating Manus as a sorcerer

    Post by Automancer on Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:51 am

    Congratulations. In time, you can face him without a problem and never getting hit. The first time i successfully beat him, my fingers were shaking so bad and my heart was pumping hours after that. The pure exhilaration from that fight was the best i've had in any video game. =D


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    Re: Questions on defeating Manus as a sorcerer

    Post by lonewolf on Wed Apr 03, 2013 7:58 am

    good job it will be easier next time and keep in mind that crystal magic does the most damage to him.


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