Is the BKGA still looked down upon?

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    Is the BKGA still looked down upon?

    Post by Dubscythe on Sun Mar 24, 2013 2:41 am

    Now I've been wanting to get into PvP for some time now, so I figured a standard strength build would be a nice way to start. I've always been a bit of an axe guy, so I wanted to inquire about the BKGA. Is it still looked down upon as sort of a noobish jerk weapon, or would it be something decent to try as I try to get into PvP?


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    Re: Is the BKGA still looked down upon?

    Post by GenericUsername on Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:00 am

    Everything is considered a noobish jerk weapon when you kill someone with it.

    Don't worry about it, just use whatever you feel like.
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    Re: Is the BKGA still looked down upon?

    Post by ChillerHR on Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:05 am

    Please be that BK Great Axe Master that we all have been waiting for...
    Axe away...

    Honestly, other than Hornet and TwoP "looking down" on something is kind of "looked down on " lately...
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    Re: Is the BKGA still looked down upon?

    Post by reim0027 on Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:29 am

    If people just look down on you simply because of your weapon, then their opinion isn't worth anything. It is how you use the weapon.

    Make any build you want. Play fair. Don't gank. Simple recipe (IMO).

    EDIT: forgot to answer your question. Yes, the BKGA is looked down on by some people. It is a great weapon, but was used too often in gank squads. Now, it has a stigma. Ok, now go back and read my first 2 paragraphs. LOL.


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    Re: Is the BKGA still looked down upon?

    Post by Pilgrim34 on Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:55 am

    It's a good weapon, possible not the easiest to get to grips with for PvP but I respect your choice to try it out- if you practice and master it you'll be a powerful force.

    Timing and mobility would be crucial with this weapon- do you have any idea for a build incorporating it yet?


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    Re: Is the BKGA still looked down upon?

    Post by Serious_Much on Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:00 am

    BKGA is looked down upon as a typical gank weapon along with the zapphander.

    However, it's really a devastating weapon. Very good speed for its damage and weight, only annoying thing is its move set.. Using anything except r1 is pointless.

    But it hurts, it dead angles, and owns so sure, why not use it.


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    Re: Is the BKGA still looked down upon?

    Post by The Letter X on Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:05 am

    It's not necessarily still looked down upon from the community as a whole like it used to be. You shouldn't worry about it anyway, but I doubt you have much to worry about.


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    Re: Is the BKGA still looked down upon?

    Post by Dubscythe on Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:12 am

    Pilgrim34 wrote:It's a good weapon, possible not the easiest to get to grips with for PvP but I respect your choice to try it out- if you practice and master it you'll be a powerful force.

    Timing and mobility would be crucial with this weapon- do you have any idea for a build incorporating it yet?

    Well since I'm doing my first PvP build which will most be for practice it's not going to be very streamlined, probably a 40str/40dex build so I can try a bunch of different weapons. I was thinking of a pure Str build at first but I couldn't figure out what I wanted to do with the remaining points.


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    Re: Is the BKGA still looked down upon?

    Post by Automancer on Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:19 am

    Instead of 40/40, you can save a lot of points by going 28/40. You can 2 hand most Str weapons and still get proper scaling from them. Plus you can use the heaviest of Dex weapons, the Murakumo.


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    Re: Is the BKGA still looked down upon?

    Post by Dubscythe on Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:34 am

    Automancer wrote:Instead of 40/40, you can save a lot of points by going 28/40. You can 2 hand most Str weapons and still get proper scaling from them. Plus you can use the heaviest of Dex weapons, the Murakumo.

    That's the thing though, I have no idea where I would put those extra points.


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    Re: Is the BKGA still looked down upon?

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:34 am

    reim0027 wrote:Make any build you want. Play fair. Don't gank. Simple recipe
    This simple recipe has a deceptively complex ingredient—few people agree on what is fair.

    Re: BKGA Question. Why do you care if it's looked down upon? If you're concerned about ostracism I can tell you that it's not looked down upon enough that you'd have trouble finding people to play with while using it.


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    Re: Is the BKGA still looked down upon?

    Post by The Letter X on Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:36 am

    Dubscythe wrote:
    Automancer wrote:Instead of 40/40, you can save a lot of points by going 28/40. You can 2 hand most Str weapons and still get proper scaling from them. Plus you can use the heaviest of Dex weapons, the Murakumo.

    That's the thing though, I have no idea where I would put those extra points.

    Vitality and Endurance
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    Would you mind sharing your build with us so we can be more specific?


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    Re: Is the BKGA still looked down upon?

    Post by Dubscythe on Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:38 am

    The Letter X wrote:
    Dubscythe wrote:
    Automancer wrote:Instead of 40/40, you can save a lot of points by going 28/40. You can 2 hand most Str weapons and still get proper scaling from them. Plus you can use the heaviest of Dex weapons, the Murakumo.

    That's the thing though, I have no idea where I would put those extra points.

    Vitality and Endurance
    Attunement if you want pyromancies

    Would you mind sharing your build with us so we can be more specific?

    http://mmdks.com/1kjn

    This, all weps and armor are interchangeable as I'll be experimenting a bit.


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    Re: Is the BKGA still looked down upon?

    Post by The Letter X on Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:48 am

    Pick your equipment ahead of time so you can know if you need more points in endurance, though it'd be best if you didn't need anymore in it. I'd ttake 12 points out of STR, put 10 in VIT, and put 2 in ATT for Great Combustion, Black Flame, or Power Within. But you can easily put those 12 points into a mix of vitality, attunement, or even intelligence for Great Magic Weapon on buffable weapons.


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    Re: Is the BKGA still looked down upon?

    Post by Dubscythe on Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:52 am

    The Letter X wrote:Pick your equipment ahead of time so you can know if you need more points in endurance, though it'd be best if you didn't need anymore in it. I'd ttake 12 points out of STR, put 10 in VIT, and put 2 in ATT for Great Combustion, Black Flame, or Power Within. But you can easily put those 12 points into a mix of vitality, attunement, or even intelligence for Great Magic Weapon on buffable weapons.

    Well I suppose I could do that.


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    Re: Is the BKGA still looked down upon?

    Post by Rynn on Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:28 am

    The Black Knight Great Axe is only looked down upon by those that don't deserve any respect anyway these days: As it's incredibly, incredibly easy to parry. It's got a lasting stigma because gankers used to love it is all.

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    Re: Is the BKGA still looked down upon?

    Post by Dibsville on Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:33 am

    Yes, it's still looked down upon, people who use it STILL use it with Hornet Ring, so people STILL hate it. Unfortunately, your best choice will be to go with a variation of Greataxe and Ultras. Although, you could also try some of the less used weapons, like the club, (normal, not Reinforced). It has a beautiful A scaling with STR, and it stunlocks like a mother with the same poise break as a greatsword.


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    Re: Is the BKGA still looked down upon?

    Post by Automancer on Sun Mar 24, 2013 12:08 pm

    ^It's no longer as bad as it was before the patch. At least you'll no longer be 1HKOed by the BKGA unless they spell swap.


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    Re: Is the BKGA still looked down upon?

    Post by Jansports on Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:13 pm

    They really did a number on the special thing that was the BKGA, less poise damage than every other ultra weapon and a big ol hurt nerf on it's 2hr1.

    I still like it, and use it -> http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=125231970265860063

    But it's not as devastating as it once was. I honestly have a billionty more success with large clubs these days
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    Re: Is the BKGA still looked down upon?

    Post by Rynn on Sun Mar 24, 2013 3:15 pm

    Jansports wrote:They really did a number on the special thing that was the BKGA, less poise damage than every other ultra weapon and a big ol hurt nerf on it's 2hr1.

    I still like it, and use it -> http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=125231970265860063

    But it's not as devastating as it once was. I honestly have a billionty more success with large clubs these days
    It needed it's poise per hit chopped down because it's faster than every other ultra great weapon by leaps and bounds.

    Do you know how much poise it lops off per hit though?
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    Re: Is the BKGA still looked down upon?

    Post by Jansports on Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:19 pm

    40 1H 60 2H

    I'm pretty sure that's right, if not it's very close.
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    Re: Is the BKGA still looked down upon?

    Post by Rynn on Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:23 pm

    I'd like to test it later, I'm planning on doing a black knight cosplay and it would be good to know for certain. If it's 60 instead of, for example, 53, than it can stun a lotta people it otherwise wouldn't, and it it's 61 poise, it would explain the new "62 poise threshhold" some people have.
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    Re: Is the BKGA still looked down upon?

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:50 pm

    40 one-handed, 60 two-handed.

    62 isn't really a new poise threshhold. It's actually an old one from when people thought that medium weapons dealt 31 poise damage, and that therefore you needed 62 poise to resist them. 62 poise will help you if somebody does like running R1 > R1 with a Gold Tracer/Uchi/Spear/Whatever, though.


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    Re: Is the BKGA still looked down upon?

    Post by Tnamaid on Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:20 pm

    if ur thinking about a str build, this one is decent. easier to use than a bkga i think.
    http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=492564326499587816
    i made that for my first pvp build, and i still use it frequently happy
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    Re: Is the BKGA still looked down upon?

    Post by Elifia on Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:44 pm

    I thought 62 poise was because of Black Flame?


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