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    Re: Things I miss about PvP here

    Post by kazumoshi on Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:20 am

    It would be amazing to see people gearing out a character like this
    http://mmdks.com/1ghy Just to counter the flavor of the week. I would say it'd make us all better players.
    If the rules were nothing more than say
    -No disrupting duels
    -No Glitches Hacking
    -Discrepancies/Weapons you'd prefer the opponent not use must be requested pre duel.
    -No healing (Save for perhaps a spell that heals. If someone backs off long enough to let you pull off a heal/great heal, then it's fairly deserved imo)
    I don't think it'd be a problem.


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    Re: Things I miss about PvP here

    Post by Forum Pirate on Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:28 am

    glitches is too broad. Dead angles, toggle escapes, spell cancels, the 720 degree large club roll r1, funky rolls. These are all in a decidedly grey area, and the first 3 are common and vital to the success of many builds.

    Thats why I listed specific and ridiculous glitches, like the spell swap (a cmw mlgs is not ok)


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    Re: Things I miss about PvP here

    Post by reim0027 on Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:29 am

    Forum Pirate wrote:Its not necessarily that he finds them cheap, just that he's tired of dealing with them. (though he may also find them cheap)
    That was more of a general statement. Not directed at anyone in particular. It was more aimed at supporting no rules (or very few rules).


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    Re: Things I miss about PvP here

    Post by kazumoshi on Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:29 am

    Forum Pirate wrote:glitches is too broad. Dead angles, toggle escapes, spell cancels, the 720 degree large club roll r1, funky rolls. These are all in a decidedly grey area, and the first 3 are common and vital to the success of many builds.

    Thats why I listed specific and ridiculous glitches, like the spell swap (a cmw mlgs is not ok)

    I suppose I should have specified with severe glitches or something, but I totally agree.


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    Re: Things I miss about PvP here

    Post by Forum Pirate on Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:32 am

    Not that I have any real say in the end, unless its given to me, I'm just noting the things that I know do/don't work so the actual setup, if implemented, will be cohesive and (hopefully) generate and maintain interest, without "salt"


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    Re: Things I miss about PvP here

    Post by Animaaal on Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:33 am

    Emergence wrote:...we tried that...

    *First of all thank you all for responding. I had already wrote the whole thing before I read about derailing and almost didn't post it.

    Secondly. I know sir. I was there. I was influential in a couple extensive petitions/requests for change. I was there too Sir Merge, rambling in other forums just like here....however....

    I remember times where some "pros" couldn't look at DkS without deeming it unworthy in comparison to DeS. I think it hampered the "great" collective minds from all the forums in creating the "10 Commandments" of Dark Souls. That went on for quite awhile.

    In my dream world I see these commandments shaping the greatest fight club to ever exist!!!

    reim0027 wrote:I'd also like to add this. The more you know, the more you experience, the more you play, the less cheap things become.

    Well said. Thats 101 stuff. Maybe it should be a commandment lol. Bow

    Forum Pirate wrote:Its not necessarily that he finds them cheap, just that he's tired of dealing with them. (though he may also find them cheap)

    After 2 matches against rapiers (win or lose) I never want to see another rapier again. They're not cheap, I simply tire of chasing the slippery ************ with my dgm.

    Yes. I see an environment where you don't tire of fights because you know you are on the most level playing field possible in Dark Souls, thanks to the brilliance of an established set of rules.

    There has got to be a set of rules that are common sense, yet extensive enough to be correct.

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    (*Speaking of rules if you guys would by chance stumble across my riddle thread and tell me if I'm contradicting the hell outta myself in post#1 RULES, that would be awesome.)

    I would love to see a level 150 club....but I don't have faith anything will change much as of right now. I mean I'll still be there and stuff playing with whatever for fun.
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    Re: Things I miss about PvP here

    Post by WyrmHero on Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:38 am

    I also miss the old days king. Been thinking about doing the SL 150 FC to try something new. Thing is I'm too focused at Dust514 atm...I think I won't be playing souls till DkS2.


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    Re: Things I miss about PvP here

    Post by Forum Pirate on Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:40 am

    Such an environment is purely hypothetical though. Like communism, it doesn't really work in reality. I'm sure greatsword users tire of me 2 hit killing them too, so then we ban ugs. Then kat users tire of being running r1-r1 and r1-r2 combo'd so we ban greatswords. It never ends. Its a steady downhill to naked at sl1 bare handed.


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    Re: Things I miss about PvP here

    Post by reim0027 on Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:41 am

    I think his main points are getting a group together for organized PvP (free from whining and restrictions) and having a consistent chatroom where we can all hang out.

    And, I have to say I agree 100%. Say the place and, if I'm on, I'll be there.


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    Re: Things I miss about PvP here

    Post by Animaaal on Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:43 am

    Forum Pirate wrote:Such an environment is purely hypothetical though. Like communism, it doesn't really work in reality. I'm sure greatsword users tire of me 2 hit killing them too, so then we ban ugs. Then kat users tire of being running r1-r1 and r1-r2 combo'd so we ban greatswords. It never ends. Its a steady downhill to naked at sl1 bare handed.

    That was priceless man lol.

    I get back on this weekend and will make a sl55 I'm sure.

    First build is "Grembo". He's my "Rambo Gremlin" twisted

    I'm obviously no help here, see ya'll around. good luck again.
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    Re: Things I miss about PvP here

    Post by Forum Pirate on Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:49 am

    If it gets going, I encourage you to show at least once, and just request additional rules.

    You might be surprised at who is willing to do the odd couple fights at base Maj-adj or using a notched whip instead of the bss.


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    Re: Things I miss about PvP here

    Post by Animaaal on Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:58 am

    Forum Pirate wrote:If it gets going, I encourage you to show at least once, and just request additional rules.

    You might be surprised at who is willing to do the odd couple fights at base Maj-adj or using a notched whip instead of the bss.

    Oh I'll show up. But I wouldn't request anything, I'd just go with the flow. Thanks though.

    The whole point of the rule system was to give you something to design a build around.
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    Re: Things I miss about PvP here

    Post by Rynn on Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:18 am

    I envy PS3 with your organized fight clubs.
    All of you are likely my equals in combat, but because of the rarity of fight clubs over on X-box, I'm left with the illusion that I'm the best player in existance, with virtually no way to witness otherwise.

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    Re: Things I miss about PvP here

    Post by Animaaal on Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:35 am

    Ya, thats gotta suck man. Your vids and knowledge would obviously support your claim though...thats at the very least something.
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    Re: Things I miss about PvP here

    Post by Maneater_Mildred on Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:47 am

    I personally think part of the downfall of FC was when it left the pit.... Up till then it had a focused area to meet in. Then when tried sens and the butterfly and suddenly when had hosts in different area's etc and our numbers were diluted.

    If we want to start up a weekly FC and also have daily gatherings, I think we need to sort 1 location and stick to it.


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    Re: Things I miss about PvP here

    Post by Forum Pirate on Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:47 am

    Good builders tend to design around a prefered weapon, true, but DKS is such that (most) even highly specialised builds have multiple options without overtly compromising the builds effectiveness. All of my builds are streamlined to the (stat) point, but none have fewer than 10 potential weapon choices and none of the alts sacrifice effectiveness. I simply use whichever I prefer. Such a request would really be as simple as the press of a button.

    @Rynn, you might be the best player in all existance. At the very least you're knowledgeable and creative enough to be. If your skill even comes close you're formidable, at the very least. I would love to fight (and probably lose to) you, but the console gap prevents it.


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    Re: Things I miss about PvP here

    Post by Forum Pirate on Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:53 am

    Maneater_Mildred wrote:I personally think part of the downfall of FC was when it left the pit.... Up till then it had a focused area to meet in. Then when tried sens and the butterfly and suddenly when had hosts in different area's etc and our numbers were diluted.

    If we want to start up a weekly FC and also have daily gatherings, I think we need to sort 1 location and stick to it.
    Out of the way, but decent sized. B-town comes to mind, as does sens, havels tower, possibly darkroot basin (hydra area), the centeral tower in the PW, and the gwyndolyn bonfire in londo (light.)


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    Re: Things I miss about PvP here

    Post by Rynn on Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:59 am

    Forum Pirate wrote:Good builders tend to design around a prefered weapon, true, but DKS is such that (most) even highly specialised builds have multiple options without overtly compromising the builds effectiveness. All of my builds are streamlined to the (stat) point, but none have fewer than 10 potential weapon choices and none of the alts sacrifice effectiveness. I simply use whichever I prefer. Such a request would really be as simple as the press of a button.

    @Rynn, you might be the best player in all existance. At the very least you're knowledgeable and creative enough to be. If your skill even comes close you're formidable, at the very least. I would love to fight (and probably lose to) you, but the console gap prevents it.
    Just because one has READ king-fu books does not mean they are a blackbelt. I feel for all the knowledge I have on the game I have a massive gap of actual skill I still need to fill out. I'd love to fight those on PSN purely to improve my skill and see how good I actually am. I've got noone to test my wit against.
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    Re: Things I miss about PvP here

    Post by Rynn on Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:00 am

    Forum Pirate wrote:
    Maneater_Mildred wrote:I personally think part of the downfall of FC was when it left the pit.... Up till then it had a focused area to meet in. Then when tried sens and the butterfly and suddenly when had hosts in different area's etc and our numbers were diluted.

    If we want to start up a weekly FC and also have daily gatherings, I think we need to sort 1 location and stick to it.
    Out of the way, but decent sized. B-town comes to mind, as does sens, havels tower, possibly darkroot basin (hydra area), the centeral tower in the PW, and the gwyndolyn bonfire in londo (light.)
    The Darkmoon tomb.
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    Re: Things I miss about PvP here

    Post by Jansports on Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:36 am

    Rynn wrote:
    Forum Pirate wrote:
    Maneater_Mildred wrote:I personally think part of the downfall of FC was when it left the pit.... Up till then it had a focused area to meet in. Then when tried sens and the butterfly and suddenly when had hosts in different area's etc and our numbers were diluted.

    If we want to start up a weekly FC and also have daily gatherings, I think we need to sort 1 location and stick to it.
    Out of the way, but decent sized. B-town comes to mind, as does sens, havels tower, possibly darkroot basin (hydra area), the centeral tower in the PW, and the gwyndolyn bonfire in londo (light.)
    The Darkmoon tomb.
    Grab the Sceance Ring, kill Gwyndolin The Dark Sun, PvP in his tomb.

    But my DMB...
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    Re: Things I miss about PvP here

    Post by Rynn on Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:37 am

    Jansports wrote:
    Rynn wrote:
    Forum Pirate wrote:
    Maneater_Mildred wrote:I personally think part of the downfall of FC was when it left the pit.... Up till then it had a focused area to meet in. Then when tried sens and the butterfly and suddenly when had hosts in different area's etc and our numbers were diluted.

    If we want to start up a weekly FC and also have daily gatherings, I think we need to sort 1 location and stick to it.
    Out of the way, but decent sized. B-town comes to mind, as does sens, havels tower, possibly darkroot basin (hydra area), the centeral tower in the PW, and the gwyndolyn bonfire in londo (light.)
    The Darkmoon tomb.
    Grab the Sceance Ring, kill Gwyndolin The Dark Sun, PvP in his tomb.

    But my DMB...
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    Re: Things I miss about PvP here

    Post by reim0027 on Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:29 am

    Darkmoon Tomb is a fun place to PvP. And, I agree with Mil too. Pick one spot and stick to it. That way everyone knows where it will be and won't need to ask for an updated location.


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    Re: Things I miss about PvP here

    Post by WaLKA on Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:33 am

    Why don't you try your hand at making an xbox FC then, Rynn?


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    Re: Things I miss about PvP here

    Post by crbngville2 on Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:42 am



    I can appreciate that point of view. However, the lack of interest when a few certain "some peoples" showed up became apparent. I never really cared, I just liked playing with whoever. It was just hard to watch people argue back and forth about the mom/giants/BKGA-Claymore/flipping build and call it a night. He|| some nights there would be 5 or 6 of those builds.

    Although I was apart of the other wiki FC in Painted World. More towards the first 6 months after release. I can't speak for what the other fights clubs went through.

    I just believe that there are things that should be excluded from fight club environments. Things you can control.
    Such as:
    *These might be drastic for some people

    -No spears
    -No Giants Armor
    -No masks
    -No Washingpole
    -No Gold Tracer
    -No Wolf Ring
    -No Dingy Armor
    -No Balder Side Sword
    -No MLGS
    -No Stone Greatsword
    -No Pursuers
    -No CoD
    -No TWoP
    -No chain backstabs
    -No TCC

    Before you say anything, I am not saying these are things that needto be nerfed.

    How would you feel if you knew the FC group you were in followed these rules and you wouldn't have to face spear all night?

    And btw...I would have loved to include RoFaP...but there is absolutely no way of enforcing that.

    People need structure. Leaders might not, but poeple who tend to follow rather enjoy rules, as long as they are not ridiculous...which a couple of these might be.

    Wow! This is the attitude that ruins PVP imho. So many rules, for no reason. It sounds like the difference in philosophy between the Atlas Wiki board and the Playstation board in DeS.

    Personally, I would prefer a minimalist approach to rules. The less, the better. I don't even have a problem allowing healing in a fight. I mean, if you don't know to keep pressure on an opponet that is close top dying. Then it serves you right to watch them heal and come back at you with a different strategy.

    I'm all for and will routinely participate in a minimal rules FC. Provided that up to sl130 is allowed to participate. I feel that the sl100 ledge is artificial.Created completely by From's addition of the arena. Further, I beleive that without the arena sl100 would have never been a true ledge in the meta. So why would we all bow to that number?

    Please forgive me not getting Animal's name attached to the above quote. I suck with the wiki editer.
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    Re: Things I miss about PvP here

    Post by Fry1156 on Fri Mar 15, 2013 10:08 am

    I would love a weekly fight club to start, even if I was to lose most of the matches (like I did on the last fight club) i would be happy with getting constant pvp.
    For me the only rules would be no healing no chain bs.
    Im not bothered what weapons ect people use, it's each to their own.

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