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    Re: best weapon

    Post by eneq on Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:01 pm

    It all depends on your playstyle and what you want todo.

    PvP for instance is much about one hit then back off and not so much about dealing out a consistent damage, PvE is a mix of both where you might benefit from a faster swing time but still want as much damage as possible per swing.

    I have done a lot of analysis on this (spreadsheets, swing time, stamina cost etc) and this is basically a list of weapons that has a high damage per swing and a high dps...

    Greatsword of Artorias
    Black Knight Great Axe
    Stone Greatsword
    Murakumo
    Great Lord Greatsword
    Bastard Sword
    Claymore
    Dragonslayer spear
    Queelags Furysword

    Ofcourse since Murakumo is buffable its probably the best one but I was surprised how good the Bastard Sword was.

    The Dragon tooth should take an honorary mention, its really low dps due to its long swing time but since its buffable it does a significant amount of damage.
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    Re: best weapon

    Post by Gol on Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:02 pm

    ViralEnsign_ wrote:I'm glad there is so much love out there for my trusty washin pole. Plus how can it be worse than a normal katana, I understand the stat requirements aren't exactly great for say a dex build but its never let me down and allowed me to punish other players from a really decent distance.

    Say what you like Gol this weapon is solid.



    Never been killed by a washing pole user. Shrug

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    Re: best weapon

    Post by goober0331 on Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:34 pm

    I'm really good at keeping distance and moving in quickly to hit my opponent, and keeping them at bay with my reach. I use DMB Washing Pole in right, with Chaos Ricards Rapier behind it, and will switch to either my lightning uchigatana or Occult Great Scythe after washing buff goes away. I then use Avelyn with lightning bolts and DM talisman in left.

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    Re: best weapon

    Post by LOLRagezzz on Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:45 pm

    Gol wrote:
    ViralEnsign_ wrote:I'm glad there is so much love out there for my trusty washin pole. Plus how can it be worse than a normal katana, I understand the stat requirements aren't exactly great for say a dex build but its never let me down and allowed me to punish other players from a really decent distance.

    Say what you like Gol this weapon is solid.



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    Re: best weapon

    Post by WarriorOfSunlight on Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:46 pm

    Straight sword hilt naturally.


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    Re: best weapon

    Post by Forum Pirate on Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:10 pm

    Gol wrote:
    ViralEnsign_ wrote:I'm glad there is so much love out there for my trusty washin pole. Plus how can it be worse than a normal katana, I understand the stat requirements aren't exactly great for say a dex build but its never let me down and allowed me to punish other players from a really decent distance.

    Say what you like Gol this weapon is solid.



    Never been killed by a washing pole user.
    I've never been killed with a nuclear warhead, that doesn't mean they cant level cities and kill millions. It simply means i haven't encountered someone with the ability and inclination to do so.


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    Re: best weapon

    Post by Yesuurd on Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:12 pm

    Forum Pirate wrote:
    Gol wrote:
    ViralEnsign_ wrote:I'm glad there is so much love out there for my trusty washin pole. Plus how can it be worse than a normal katana, I understand the stat requirements aren't exactly great for say a dex build but its never let me down and allowed me to punish other players from a really decent distance.

    Say what you like Gol this weapon is solid.



    Never been killed by a washing pole user.
    I've never been killed with a nuclear warhead, that doesn't mean they cant level cities and kill millions. It simply means i haven't encountered someone with the ability and inclination to do so.

    preach!


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    Re: best weapon

    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:32 pm

    LOLRagezzz wrote:
    Gol wrote:
    ViralEnsign_ wrote:I'm glad there is so much love out there for my trusty washin pole. Plus how can it be worse than a normal katana, I understand the stat requirements aren't exactly great for say a dex build but its never let me down and allowed me to punish other players from a really decent distance.

    Say what you like Gol this weapon is solid.



    Never been killed by a washing pole user.



    You will now!

    Now you have to fight us all. I'm sure one of us can rectify this.


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    Re: best weapon

    Post by ViralEnsign_ on Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:33 pm

    Never been killed by a washing pole user. [/quote]I've never been killed with a nuclear warhead, that doesn't mean they cant level cities and kill millions. It simply means i haven't encountered someone with the ability and inclination to do so.[/quote]

    Damn thats funny. Sorry for the double post I just saw this.


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    Re: best weapon

    Post by Tolvo on Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:48 pm

    Never killed by a washing Pole user? Obviously you've never met me...I've been killed by plenty!
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    Re: best weapon

    Post by Yesuurd on Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:56 pm

    Add me to that list, I love the washing pole...


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    Re: best weapon

    Post by Glutebrah on Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:07 pm

    In for washing pole slaughter. But does it still count if my avelyn gets last hit??


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    Re: best weapon

    Post by Forum Pirate on Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:29 pm

    i'd say so but who actually lets it hit? i've only used it to stuff attempts to cast.


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    Re: best weapon

    Post by WyrmHero on Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:33 pm

    For a Strength build I use the Demon Great Axe. It has "S" scaling with sunlight blade at 50 strength you can have over 1000 damage. Its stunlock its pretty fast too.


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    Re: best weapon

    Post by Glutebrah on Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:35 pm

    Forum Pirate wrote:i'd say so but who actually lets it hit? i've only used it to stuff attempts to cast.

    Time the attack right and its very effective, after your opponent rolls or attacks and misses. Youtube avelyn pvp to witness greatness. Im on my phone or i wouls post it.


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    Re: best weapon

    Post by Forum Pirate on Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:43 pm

    ah i can see how heavier weapons/mid rolls could be punished with it. i'll definitely keep that in mind with my str/faith. dont feel like eating crossbow. Any how, my favorite weapons so far are the iaito, sks and bss.


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    Re: best weapon

    Post by Glutebrah on Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:47 pm

    Forum Pirate wrote:ah i can see how heavier weapons/mid rolls could be punished with it. i'll definitely keep that in mind with my str/faith. dont feel like eating crossbow. Any how, my favorite weapons so far are the iaito, sks and bss.

    Why do people like the iaito so much? I personally hate thr R2 conpared to uchi/washibg pole.

    But yea it is hard to land avelyn on fast opponents with katanas expecially. But still dooable and just the threat of it makes the opponent play different. Some times i can bait attacks that open them up to a blast.


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    Re: best weapon

    Post by reim0027 on Wed Feb 29, 2012 10:58 pm

    eneq wrote:
    reim0027 wrote:The "best weapon" depends heavily on your style of fighting and your skill. Good at distance judging and fast moving? Then, Kats are a good choice - don't use them much, so can't comment on the best Kat.

    Like heavy, slow moving, powerful weapons? Zwei and GC are my favorite. They hit HARD. I can get over 1,000 with my DMB GC.

    Middle of the road = MSGS, Clay, or MLGS.

    Spears can be deadly in the right hand. Demon's Spear has the best reach and damage.

    Parrying = Estoc or Rapier. Rapier has the best critical in the game, Estoc is very close, but has a better moveset.

    Your info is slightly wrong;

    Pike has longer reach than Demon's Spear
    Bandit's Knife has the highest crit multiplier (poor normal damage tho)
    OK, I'll grant you the Pike. Sorry 'bout that.

    But, while the Knife has the highest crit multiplier, the Rapier has the best BS damage.

    I've heard something about armor affecting this. I would love to test it. BK and Rapier +15. Backstab both a hard armor and a soft armor person. If you're interested, let me know.


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    Re: best weapon

    Post by moomootv on Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:33 am

    katana +15 no buff happy


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    Re: best weapon

    Post by Yesuurd on Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:57 am

    bows and crossbows, I have only been hit by those in 2v1 or more because you are distracted by the other player, shouldn't play with that against an avid washing pole
    user on your own, have you seen how long that sword is? you reload and you will
    have all that steel coming out the front of your chest fairly easy.

    Now every bow-crossbow user is gonna challenge me to duel, we are shifting the thread!


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    Re: best weapon

    Post by Gol on Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:05 pm

    Forum Pirate wrote:
    Gol wrote:
    ViralEnsign_ wrote:I'm glad there is so much love out there for my trusty washin pole. Plus how can it be worse than a normal katana, I understand the stat requirements aren't exactly great for say a dex build but its never let me down and allowed me to punish other players from a really decent distance.

    Say what you like Gol this weapon is solid.



    Never been killed by a washing pole user.
    I've never been killed with a nuclear warhead, that doesn't mean they cant level cities and kill millions. It simply means i haven't encountered someone with the ability and inclination to do so.



    Why is there always a guy who wants to look "smart" by sayin a load of bollocks ?
    It's a game, not real life, it's a katana, not an atomic weapon.
    Calm down.
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    Re: best weapon

    Post by Yesuurd on Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:24 pm

    Gol wrote:
    Forum Pirate wrote:
    Gol wrote:
    ViralEnsign_ wrote:I'm glad there is so much love out there for my trusty washin pole. Plus how can it be worse than a normal katana, I understand the stat requirements aren't exactly great for say a dex build but its never let me down and allowed me to punish other players from a really decent distance.

    Say what you like Gol this weapon is solid.



    Never been killed by a washing pole user.
    I've never been killed with a nuclear warhead, that doesn't mean they cant level cities and kill millions. It simply means i haven't encountered someone with the ability and inclination to do so.



    Why is there always a guy who wants to look "smart" by sayin a load of bollocks ?
    It's a game, not real life, it's a katana, not an atomic weapon.
    Calm down.


    Gol, I think you are complaining about the chosen metaphor more than anything, if you had chosen to
    obviate that and capture the essence of his message which makes sense btw, instead of labeling it as
    bollocks, I think it would have been a better response.

    He obviously knows the difference between a katana and a nuclear weapon and I am sure he knows
    it's a game but that doesn't mean he cannot use other examples to explain his point, we can
    respect that can't we? also you are assuming he wrote that to sound "smart" which is evidently
    a harsh premature assumption.


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    Re: best weapon

    Post by Gol on Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:34 pm

    I thought the comparison between a katana and a nuclear weapon was kinda "extreme" and a bit aggressive, after all, I was just saying I never been killed by a washing pole user, not that no washing pole user could won against me, you see ?

    I was just being sarcastic.
    I like it.

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    Post by Yesuurd on Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:38 pm

    Gol wrote:I thought the comparison between a katana and a nuclear weapon was kinda "extreme" and a bit aggressive, after all, I was just saying I never been killed by a washing pole user, not that no washing pole user could won against me, you see ?

    I was just being sarcastic.
    I like it.



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    Re: best weapon

    Post by Gol on Thu Mar 01, 2012 12:41 pm

    When you hold a "title" and you're "clever" you don't take the risk to lose it but I'm not clever and I like risky things, I'll send you a FR when I want to play.

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