Manus and Dusk *SPECULATION*

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    Manus and Dusk *SPECULATION*

    Post by EarthScraper on Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:11 pm

    Hmm... where to start? Well, from what I've read from item descriptions and ENB videos, i have started to speculate that Manus has some sort of connection with Dusk. Manus, as we know, was once human, a primordial one, the original one. Manus seemed to be an esteemed mage in life (hence his mastery over dark sorceries), and used his very own power to make them. Manus has an affinity to humanity, his soul is basically raw humanity. That is why his sorceries have a look of humanity (especially Pursuers). But i will get back to that later.

    However, his power seemed to consume him, his humanity went out of control. His influence spread beyond his grave in the chasm of the abyss, to the kingdom of Oolacile. Home of Dusk, but the question is, why was Manus so close to Oolacile in the first place? Well, if he IS the pygmy, he could have moved to Oolacile to find peace there after the war with the dragons, and pursue his sorceries. However, the people of Oolacile disliked Manus, possibly fearing him, everyone, except Dusk.

    When you first meet Dusk, she has a very kind and friendly personality. She could have met Manus when he was a human, and gave him the Pendent, as a sign of peace and friendship. Manus then treasured this pendent, thinking that Dusk was the only person who cared about him, possibly, even falling in love with her. Again, more about his feelings for her later. Time passed, and Manus was slowly becoming insane, delving deeper into his sorceries, creating more dangerous spells as time went on. Soon his over-flowing humanity consumed him, he went wild, and soon vanished into the abyss. without his precious pendent, which broke in two (which you and Chester find in the present). Somehow though, Manus remembered Dusk, and then 'kidnapped' her, to try and confess his love for her, but Dusk, naturally, was scared ****less, and failed to understand him. That would explain why Dusk is seemingly unharmed when rescued the 2nd time.

    Now, when you read the item description for 'Pursuers', is begins to make sense (to me anyway);

    "Sorcery of Manus, Father of the Abyss. Grant a fleeting will to the Dark of humanity, and volley the result.

    The will feels envy, or perhaps love, and despite the inevitable
    trite and tragic ending
    , the will sees no alternative, and is driven
    madly towards its target.
    "


    This description confirms, for me, that Manus had feelings for Dusk, and the 'Pursuers' really spells out the story for Manus and Dusk. All the dark sorceries also sort of tell Manus' slow decent into madness, they all tell of a an Oolacile sorcerer on the brink of madness, who discovered these. This could either be Manus, or one of the sorcerers in the township. I'm not sure.

    Well, that's it, i apologize for the wall of text. This is speculation with some facts, so some of it, if not all of it, will probably be incorrect. Like to know what you think though.


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    Re: Manus and Dusk *SPECULATION*

    Post by Shkar on Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:50 pm

    I believe one of the NPC's claim that the Oolacians didn't really know what they were doing when they disturbed Manus; they were misled. That implies that they didn't really know who (or what) he was.


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    Re: Manus and Dusk *SPECULATION*

    Post by Deathsitexxi on Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:11 pm

    If you have time please read my analysis series http://soulswiki.forumsrpg.com/t15104-analysis-series-dark-souls-intro-truths-reveled . Here is what I put in a snippet in a later comment though. Let me know what you think.

    Spoiler:
    And before you
    start reading this I just want to say, I know it seems like I’m grasping at
    strings here, however; I’m trying to look at things from a different
    perspective while stay consistent with my theory above. Before we discover why
    the Pygmy did what he did we’d have to find out who the Pygmy was. I always
    look up word definitions to help me explain myself in the analysis series so I’ll
    do it here as well.


    Pygmy- A small or dwarfish person or a person who is of
    small importance, or who has some quality, attribute, etc., in very small
    measure.


    Furtive- Taken, done, used, etc., surreptitiously or by
    stealth; secret, or sly; shifty


    The way I see it the Pygmy was the polar opposite of Gywn,
    and that’s why the Dark Soul chose him.
    Meaning where Gywn is very powerful, the Pygmy was not, where Gywn
    fights head-on the Pygmy is very stealth and secretive.


    So we know that the Pygmy used some kind of stealth, and
    also held the Dark Soul in its entirety. There are 2 groups we hear about
    people using stealth and that is the Dragon School and Oolacile.


    Hidden Body- Ancient sorcery of the lost land of Oolacile.
    Turns body nearly invisible. Although perfect invisibility is unachievable due
    to the risk of dissipation, the caster need only stand still for a moment to
    blend in to environments with astounding camouflage.


    Hush-Sorcery developed by a certain surreptitious sorcerer
    at Vinheim Dragon School. Masks all noises of caster. Effectively, Vinheim is
    controlled by the Dragon School, and it is no wonder that the town has its
    share of dark secrets.


    So let’s look at a couple of facts and ask a few questions


    1.
    The definition of Surreptitious and Furtive are
    almost the same.


    2.
    To use any of these stealth techniques one must
    have some kind of Sorcery talent


    3.
    Why did Gywn allow a Dragon School to exists
    when he was wiping the world of anything dragon related (except Seath).


    4.
    Why does it specifically say “dark” secrets


    5.
    What is the relationship between these 2 spells?





    Is there a relationship between these 2 spells? At first
    glance I’d understand if you said no, but I want to look at a couple of other
    descriptions really fast.


    Slumbering Dragon Crest Ring- This ring was secretly worn by
    a certain surreptitious sorcerer at Vinheim Dragon School. This ring is
    engraved with an everlasting dragon in silent slumber, and masks all sound
    emitting from its wearer.


    Broken Pendant-Half of a broken stone pendant. The vine
    appears to originate from Oolacile. A powerful magic can be sensed from this
    ancient stone. Yet men of this time can neither manipulate nor sense its power,
    which has a distinct air consisting of both reverence and nostalgia.


    Why was the ring secretly worn? Whom where they hiding wearing
    the ring from? Does this mean this certain surreptitious sorcerer at Vinheim
    wore this ring and gave it out to the members of his secret team? I brought up
    the broken pendant for a few reasons.


    1.
    The vine appears to originate from Oolacile


    2.
    Manus is buried in Oolacile and wants the
    pendant back


    3.
    Manus was a sorcerer


    So what does that
    even mean to me? Well (speculation without proof ahead). I believe the Pygmy
    hid in plain sight. I also think long ago he created or was a part of the
    Vinheim Dragon School, and had a hand at creating the “Spook” team in the
    school. The place he originally came from was in fact Oolacile, and after
    living for so long he discovered the truth about the world (it would all return
    to the way it once was, and continue to cycle no matter what) and hid himself
    under his hometown. Now let me explain, from my original Analysis above I
    talked about what the “Dark” and “Light” was. With all of that in mind let’s
    look at another description.


    Pursuers-Sorcery of Manus, Father of the Abyss. Grant a
    fleeting will to the Dark of humanity, and volley the result. The will feels
    envy, or perhaps love, and despite the inevitably trite and tragic ending the
    will sees no alternative, and is driven madly towards its target.


    This description here tells us exactly how and why Manus
    went nuts. Once he was awakened after hiding himself (the serpents had been
    searching for him) he realized the inevitably trite and tragic ending and saw
    no alternative, transformed and is now driven madly towards his targets.


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