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    Re: Is dark magic cheap?

    Post by Animaaal on Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:45 pm

    Jiub of Carim wrote:
    gmwdim wrote:You know what's even more "cheap" than Dark Magic? Great Magic Barrier. Renders mages completely impotent.
    GMB is cheap?! I've heard it all! Look Skyward

    Force is op...that is all.
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    Re: Is dark magic cheap?

    Post by gmwdim on Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:46 pm

    Jiub of Carim wrote:
    gmwdim wrote:You know what's even more "cheap" than Dark Magic? Great Magic Barrier. Renders mages completely impotent.
    GMB is cheap?! I've heard it all!

    What's a mage with no strength and no dexterity supposed to do when their spells can't do any damage?


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    Re: Is dark magic cheap?

    Post by Jiub of Carim on Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:50 pm

    gmwdim wrote:
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    gmwdim wrote:You know what's even more "cheap" than Dark Magic? Great Magic Barrier. Renders mages completely impotent.
    GMB is cheap?! I've heard it all!

    What's a mage with no strength and no dexterity supposed to do when their spells can't do any damage?
    Wait it out. Dodge.

    Animaaal wrote:Force is op...that is all.
    Well played sir!


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    Re: Is dark magic cheap?

    Post by gmwdim on Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:51 pm

    What if I also have no vit and no endurance? Okay yeah, that's probably my own fault for putting every single point into attunement and intelligence, lol.


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    Re: Is dark magic cheap?

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:18 pm

    hageshisa wrote:Saturday-Saint, the news flash is that you actually don't need poise in PvP
    When you can consistently beat non-retarded dex players with 0 poise, let me know.


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    Re: Is dark magic cheap?

    Post by hageshisa on Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:27 pm

    Sorry, Im the dex player : )


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    Re: Is dark magic cheap?

    Post by Acarnatia on Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:50 pm

    As someone who actually is a dark caster and has faced many dark casters, I think it's not the Dark magic itself that's 'cheap'-it's the tactics employed by the players using them. I rarely get more than two beads form Dark Bead to connect, and rarely even that with my Pursuers. Granted, I do have a good connection with what seems to be comparatively low lag, meaning the lag doesn't make my attacks an almost guaranteed hit. On the even decent players on this forum? I've cast all three Pursuers sets and they rolled away with getting hit by a single one. I almost always do better with my CMW BSS/SSS than with my spells.
    My Pursuers and Dark BeadNow let's see how this post affects my reputation.


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    Re: Is dark magic cheap?

    Post by gmwdim on Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:51 pm

    You know what's a cheap use of Pursuers? Having a ganking buddy cast TWoP next to it.


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    Re: Is dark magic cheap?

    Post by reim0027 on Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:28 pm

    gmwdim wrote:
    What's a mage with no strength and no dexterity supposed to do when their spells can't do any damage?
    Honestly, it is either a poorly build Mage with no backup weapons, or a purposely built mage that really really min/maxed to the point where it has a very limited range of attacks. That is the risk you take when you focus everything into one attack style.

    Add a little pyro to your arsenal and use that against GMB users. Problem solved.


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    Re: Is dark magic cheap?

    Post by gmwdim on Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:01 am

    reim0027 wrote:
    gmwdim wrote:
    What's a mage with no strength and no dexterity supposed to do when their spells can't do any damage?
    Honestly, it is either a poorly build Mage with no backup weapons, or a purposely built mage that really really min/maxed to the point where it has a very limited range of attacks. That is the risk you take when you focus everything into one attack style.

    Add a little pyro to your arsenal and use that against GMB users. Problem solved.

    Yeah, I was being kind of silly anyways. I have an arsenal of enchanted weapons that do an okay job. I guess I'm more frustrated at my own lack of skill because whenever someone casts GMB that pretty much means death for me. big grin


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    Re: Is dark magic cheap?

    Post by JumpsU3vs1 on Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:39 am

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    hageshisa wrote:Saturday-Saint, the news flash is that you actually don't need poise in PvP
    When you can consistently beat non-retarded dex players with 0 poise, let me know.

    The bare minimum I run with is havel's gauntlets + HSW (35 poise). I feel like that is average for PVP. The ones talking about running with 0 poise, I wonder how good they do vs a good spear user? I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of a silver knight spear user with 0 poise.

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    Re: Is dark magic cheap?

    Post by Animaaal on Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:01 am

    JumpsU3vs1 wrote:...The bare minimum I run with is havel's gauntlets HSW (35 poise). I feel like that is average for PVP. The ones talking about running with 0 poise, I wonder how good they do vs a good spear user? I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of a silver knight spear user with 0 poise.ow a..

    35 poise is horrible. You should really go to 36 or 41 imo.

    As for the latter...My bow and Dark Beads do just fine. 8)
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    Re: Is dark magic cheap?

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Sat Feb 23, 2013 6:03 am

    33 poise breakpoint is fine. 36 doesn't give you much of value. Murakumo, I guess. Greatsword one-handed movesets are not very frightening, I wouldn't bother getting 36 for them. 41 is not worth making major sacrifices for, you don't need to resist two one-handed medium attacks particularly badly, and other than that it's only useful for 1H BKGA and Great Combustion.

    Between 33 and 53, I don't think there is much of value.


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    Re: Is dark magic cheap?

    Post by Avenger649 on Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:38 am

    I rarely ever run with much poise and so long as you can fast/medium roll any amount is fine. It is only when you start fat rolling that you will want to have 77 or more poise (purely because that is the nature of your build).
    As long as you have a bow spear users are rather easy to deal with, that is unless they have the DWGR, if they do your hope is fairly limited.



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    Re: Is dark magic cheap?

    Post by Acarnatia on Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:16 am

    I've done quite well with 3 poise. (armor for looks, a single piece gives poise)


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    Re: Is dark magic cheap?

    Post by martyrsbrigade99 on Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:09 pm

    A a reasonably experienced player shouldn't have a problem with black magics, so no.


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    Re: Is dark magic cheap?

    Post by MrMcClean on Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:41 pm

    gmwdim wrote:You know what's even more "cheap" than Dark Magic? Great Magic Barrier. Renders mages completely impotent.
    You can just wait until its over and i think most mages have a weapon for emergency.
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    Re: Is dark magic cheap?

    Post by lordgodofhell on Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:53 pm

    Am I the only one who thinks Pursuers is a bad *** spell? I mean never mind the hardships we go through to obtain it, but it just looks cool in every way and doesn't even hit like dark bead does.

    As far as Bead goes, against new pvpers it is an insta win so not cheap, but definitely easier. As others have said though, if lag isn't too insane, all magic is very easy to dodge.


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    Re: Is dark magic cheap?

    Post by Animaaal on Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:16 pm

    Idk man, I think having the same relative power as CSS at 16 Int is kinda unreasonable.

    Using sorceries and pyros have always been a staple of my playstyle, and I have paid for it dearly against players that know my tricks.

    However, having 1800 health and a powerful spell like Dark Bead for such a low investment has always made me feel sort of cheap. It's pretty much the reason I use the Ivory Catalyst on one of my builds.

    I have 18 Dark Beads on this toon,and I use em like a bow. Hitting people for 100-150 at a distance while doing this has made me feel better about using it.
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    Re: Is dark magic cheap?

    Post by Infighter on Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:26 pm

    People who cant defend vs it will say it's broken/op/stupid/***-ish. You will meet these people no matter what, as for folks who know and can PvP Dark magic is nothing to moan about, although it's a really good punish for the mistakes you make


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    Re: Is dark magic cheap?

    Post by reim0027 on Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:59 pm

    IMO, it is no cheaper than a Zaphander. Both do insane damage for little stats. Both are avoidable.


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    Re: Is dark magic cheap?

    Post by Saturday-Saint on Sun Feb 24, 2013 4:41 am

    reim0027 wrote:IMO, it is no cheaper than a Zaphander. Both do insane damage for little stats. Both are avoidable.
    I know it's time for bed when I read this and actually consider for a moment telling you that Zaphander isn't cheap.


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    Re: Is dark magic cheap?

    Post by reim0027 on Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:17 pm

    Zaphander is not cheap, IMO.


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