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    Re: WARNING! Rant about ring incoming

    Post by skarekrow13 on Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:36 am

    Karmic Justice is based off of number of hits, not amount of damage.

    For instance, I've had it trigger from rapid hits from hollows (one sword, one crossbow) that did next to no damage. I've triggered it (best use here) rolling through Crystal Homing Soul Mass where I took no damage. None. It caused a "hit" animation but since I was in an i-frame I had nothing done to me. The sorcerer on the other hand. Well, he got one heck of a surprise.....keh heh heh.

    The best piece of equipment to maximize your Karmic Justice use, in my opinion....is the Grass Crest Shield. Added stamina regen which is nice but eveything....and I mean everything....counts as a hit since nothing is 100% damage taken.


    I've also been killed by more methodical players and enemies trying to figure out the mechanics without it being triggered. They hit hard and less often.


    So the key is fast and little damage to make the best use of it.


    EDIT: My best estimate is that the KJ build up meter will go back to zero in three to four seconds max meaning you need several hits very fast. The least number of hits I've ever seen it take is five I believe. Soul mass coincidence?


    FURTHER EDIT: Again, I have not tested it with the Calamity Ring so if you have and it appears to make KJ more effective there could be a hidden buff to it.

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    Re: WARNING! Rant about ring incoming

    Post by Samurainova on Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:40 am

    Ummm, like, I don't doubt you skarekrwo that may have happened for you, but I have taken several hits with it in effect and it did not occur until a certain damage quota was met. Perhaps it doesn't require huge amounts, but it has been confirmed calamity definately speeds up the process. Ill show you in a video. Thanks for pointing that out though it is indeed not necessary to take large amounts of damage. For instance it would not make a differance between a claymore and man serpant sword.

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    Re: WARNING! Rant about ring incoming

    Post by skarekrow13 on Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:46 am

    There's no difference in any damage or source from what I can tell. Again, I've had zero damage trigger it. I've killed people trying to use it with very high vitality with no effect since I don't attack often (the buff was still active when they died). I did a lot of testing near the parish. The three Balder knights that can gank in the Parish were able to kill me without it trigger because they're all methodical attackers. Whereas the sword and crossbow guys with faster attacks trigger it no problemo (and do less damage). The torch guys who attack in a combo will trigger it (again, number of hits). Also, it triggers with shields that don't do 100% in the applicable damage type. So my hollow soldier example, through the shield triggers consistently at five hits (rapid ones). The damage is insignificant in amount. I won't derail the thread about the evil ring further but I'd definitely have to see some proof about a damage threshold because I've seen literally zero evidence of it in a lot of tests.

    I think the confusion is that the person has to have sustained "damage" in some form. i.e. Five hits that "cause damage" is the threshold rather than "x amount" of damage. The i-frame roll I talked about above registers as a "hit that should have caused damage" based on defense stats so it counts as "damage."


    EDIT: I wanted to point out again I have not tested with the Calamity Ring on and it is perfectly plausible that it might indeed buff KJ. For instance, as it doubles damage I can see From adding something like each hit counts as two, making the KJ build up faster.

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    Re: WARNING! Rant about ring incoming

    Post by WandererReece on Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:14 pm

    Wow, they thought I was crazy.


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    Re: WARNING! Rant about ring incoming

    Post by skarekrow13 on Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:15 pm

    I still do. Which means I have a ton of respect for you. It's the sane ones I worry about.....

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    Re: WARNING! Rant about ring incoming

    Post by WandererReece on Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:22 pm

    I love what you put for your location.


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    Re: WARNING! Rant about ring incoming

    Post by GrinTwist on Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:23 pm

    I actually haven't even gotten the calamity ring yet, I've had the DLC for at least 3 months now, and I still haven't killed Kalamet.


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    Re: WARNING! Rant about ring incoming

    Post by skarekrow13 on Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:24 pm

    Lol...Thanks Reece. Now that I've gotten to page three it's time for the not so shocking surprise.....

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    Re: WARNING! Rant about ring incoming

    Post by skarekrow13 on Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:36 pm

    Anyone who has read this thread....

    With the exception of KJ info, please try to envision everything I've said in sarcasm font.

    Firstly, I want to point out that my arguments (while insane to some degree) are NOT INACCURATE. I can't stress that enough. Objectively, the Calamity does create shortcuts for an established goal (bragging rights, Shindori's very awexome samurai draw contest idea). It also does create balancing issues. I know it doesn't help the wearer, but again, objectively the ring creates a major disadvantage for one party.

    The only difference between this and any other unbalanced piece of equipment is that you choose to be at a disadvantage.

    Which created the perfect opportunity for me to finally state how I feel about all tactics in the game, all weapons, all equipment, all spells, etc.

    THEY'RE ALL GREAT!!!

    Is some equipment better than others? Yes

    Are some things easier to get "good" at than others? Yes

    Is the game perfectly balanced? Heck no

    But no one would seriously complain about handicapping oneself with the use of the Calamity Ring to brag or accomplish a goal that they enjoy. So if you think something is "OP" or unbalanced. Cool. But just remember, like the Calamity Ring, if you choose gear or tactics that are inherently more difficult to win with.....


    It's your choice.

    If you lose to someone because they used "easy" gear or tactics, they're available to you too. It's your choice because of your own, very personal, very individual code.

    Have fun with your code and rules but let's remember that everyone else is playing their way too.

    Spoiler:
    If you got through this thread or even just this post, thank you.....sincerely for your time. I also want to add before I cause another controversy that it's ok to complain about game mechanics that can be improved since I'm sure From listens to fans and will work on improvements if they agree. Like backstabs. They're peachy keen in my book but the argument that a smaller hit box might be better.....that's valid. My only argument here is simply, it's in the game, don't hate the PEOPLE using it.

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    Re: WARNING! Rant about ring incoming

    Post by lalliman on Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:56 pm

    Dammit i came too late to contribute.
    But i'm gonna anyways! twisted
    I don't mind that it's an easy way to earn bragging rights, but the couple times that i've seen it in PvP, people used it like a disclaimer. Kinda like, "if i lose, it's cause of the ring and not me". It's perfect for sore losers.
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    Re: WARNING! Rant about ring incoming

    Post by skarekrow13 on Thu Feb 14, 2013 1:58 pm

    Lol....We can still talk about it. That's actually an angle I never thought of. The "Sore Loser" ring.

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    Re: WARNING! Rant about ring incoming

    Post by WandererReece on Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:03 pm

    lalliman wrote:Kinda like, "if i lose, it's cause of the ring and not me". It's perfect for sore losers.

    If they told me that I would reply, "It was because of you. You chose to put your calamity ring on your character. No one forced you to do it."


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    Re: WARNING! Rant about ring incoming

    Post by Samurainova on Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:36 pm

    Just do what I do bro, don't even let them get a single hit off you. Nothing could be holding them back because they suck so bad they can't even hit you. No ring could possibly change that.


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