Does anyone get the Avelyn in the Archieves with phantoms?

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    Does anyone get the Avelyn in the Archieves with phantoms?

    Post by WandererReece on Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:12 pm

    Everytime I go through the Archieves I pick up the Avelyn. I always do this with summons, because I can never get the glitch to work. (My friend showed me it like 3 times, but I can never get it to work.)

    Anyway whenever I try to get a random phantom to help me they always act like I'm an idiot. I'll clear out the area under the Avelyn. Then I go to the balcony above it. Then I get in position and . A few get the hint, but the majority will just stand there and act impatient. Then I'll message, "Avelyn", but most people I summon don't speak english, so they have no clue what I messaged.

    Do people still get the Avelyn the non-glitch way? How do you tell your phantoms you want the Avelyn?


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    Re: Does anyone get the Avelyn in the Archieves with phantoms?

    Post by skarekrow13 on Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:15 pm

    I only bothered with it once but I did the flip the switch and run like hell method. Only took a few tries

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    Re: Does anyone get the Avelyn in the Archieves with phantoms?

    Post by Sentiel on Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:37 pm

    I have no idea what you're talking about. Just activate the rotating stairs, jump down, pick up Avelyn, jump down again, kill mobs and proceed.

    Alternatively, you can clear the mobs first and then get Avelyn. Only way I see to use phantoms there is to ask them to clear the mobs for you.

    I completely understand the frustration on lack of comunication and inability to speak to other players in English (you really can't tell what languages they speak).

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    Post by WandererReece on Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:45 pm

    Sentiel wrote:I have no idea what you're talking about.

    So that's a no. That explains a lot.


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    Re: Does anyone get the Avelyn in the Archieves with phantoms?

    Post by Sentiel on Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:52 pm

    WandererReece wrote:
    Sentiel wrote:I have no idea what you're talking about.

    So that's a no. That explains a lot.
    I was reffering to the glitch you mentioned.

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    Post by Automancer on Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:55 pm

    There's a glitch?!

    I've pretty much always done it the normal method. Turn the switch and run like hell.
    I always wait like 1~2 seconds before running off and it always lands me in front of the Avelyn. Only ever missed the jump 4 times in all my time of DkS.


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    Re: Does anyone get the Avelyn in the Archieves with phantoms?

    Post by WandererReece on Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:29 pm

    Sentiel wrote:
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    Sentiel wrote:I have no idea what you're talking about.

    So that's a no. That explains a lot.
    I was reffering to the glitch you mentioned.

    I'll tell you what everyone tells me. Check the wiki.


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    Re: Does anyone get the Avelyn in the Archieves with phantoms?

    Post by Animaaal on Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:06 pm

    No. I've never even tried it with a phantom. I always go for "special items" when I'm alone. I figure the phantom is there for the boss.

    Whenever I summon, getting to the fog door is always my priority. You can never really tell how a phantom will fair against an invader. Especially the pursuer invaders.

    I dont mind when a host needs help looking around, but there are a couple things that annoy me a little. Like trying to get to Vamos or something of that nature.

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    Re: Does anyone get the Avelyn in the Archieves with phantoms?

    Post by vilebyrd on Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:29 am

    It is so annoying when a host wants to run through and get every little item. Dang kill the boss then do your exploration. Phantom are there to help you get to and kill the boss thats it. Its also amazing the amount of hosts who will not heal u with estus flasks.
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    Re: Does anyone get the Avelyn in the Archieves with phantoms?

    Post by Mr. Tart on Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:39 am

    vilebyrd wrote:It is so annoying when a host wants to run through and get every little item. Dang kill the boss then do your exploration. Phantom are there to help you get to and kill the boss thats it. Its also amazing the amount of hosts who will not heal u with estus flasks.

    Speak for yourself. Whenever i put down my summonsign it means i'm lending my hand for whatever they may need. I'm not there for the souls, i'm there because i'm an Sunbro.

    Praise the Sun !Peace out! Praise the Sun

    As far as the glitch goes, i have no idea what glitch you're talking about, and i find no information on it either. :|


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    Re: Does anyone get the Avelyn in the Archieves with phantoms?

    Post by retro on Thu Feb 14, 2013 9:59 am

    The glitch? Are you talking about the quit/ reload method...?

    It's very easy. The game can't save your location on the rotating bridge itself, so quitting and reloading will cause you to spawn wherever you last were before you stepped on it.

    1. Stand on the side of the 'grand hall' that's closer to the Avelyn, a few steps off from the rotating bridge. Open/ exit your menu just to make sure it autosaves there.
    2. Go onto the rotating bridge. Activate it to rotate it.
    3. Let the bridge rotate completely so the game can save the bridge's new position. Don't quit before it finishes rotating.
    4. Quit/ reload without stepping off the bridge. You're back where you were before you stepped on the bridge, but now its rotated away from you and there's a cliff/ drop where the steps were.
    5. Walk off the drop at full walking speed (neither slow walk nor sprinting), and you are guaranteed to land safely by the Avelyn.

    That's a longwinded way of saying - stand by the X, walk off:


    Alternatively, if you don't like cheating - the safest and most risk-free way to practice the Avelyn drop is as an invader. The second spawn location in the Duke's Archives can be accessed by invading from behind the bookcase shortcut (by the bottom of the long ladder, near Logan's shop area). Invading from that area will spawn you directly in front of the Avelyn's rotating bridge.

    If you're a Darkwraith and need to pick up lost souls/ humanity after a failed invasion - at least you only have to walk a short way back to where you invaded from without any enemies a long the way. Certainly a lot more risk-free than doing it yourself as a host and having to run all the way up there each time, with the possibility of losing souls/ humanity.
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    Post by WandererReece on Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:12 am

    WandererReece wrote:I can never get the glitch to work. (My friend showed me it like 3 times, but I can never get it to work.)

    I know how to do it. My game just doesn't like me for some reason.

    Also,
    emergence wrote:7. Don't post how to glitch or hack the game.

    Ironic, usually people downvote post that violate forum rules.


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    Post by skarekrow13 on Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:19 am

    I haven't seen the mods take offense to the same trick to make the Bed of ChaOz easier so maybe this type of technique isn't what most poeple think of as a glitch. I know that it can meet the criteria (unintended exploit and all that).

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    Post by Sentiel on Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:25 am

    I've upvoted retro, because his post was very informative and it can save me some annoyance if I fail getting Avelyn the usual way. It doesn't seem like a game breaking glitch, or something that can be misused for some greater evil, or something. happy

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    Post by retro on Thu Feb 14, 2013 11:44 am

    Thanks Sentiel! I don't really take concern with upvoting or downvoting on individual posts, but being in a good standing with the moderators and community is important to me.

    I'm pretty confident that sharing simple PvE exploits isn't what's frowned upon when it comes to discussing harmful glitches. You can quit/ reload to make killing Crystal Lizards easier, or obtain items from certain NPCs knocked off of cliffs. These are other quit/ reload exploits that I don't think are an issue discussing. But of course, if I am in the wrong I won't mind if mods PM me or edit my posts. It's all good. happy

    Also, I would be interested to find out if the method isn't 100% guaranteed. Are you sure you're following all of the steps, WandererReece?

    Two things I would be sure to try - open/ close your inventory before stepping onto the rotating bridge, just to make sure it autosaves by the "X" in the image. Then open/ close your inventory while on the bridge, after it has completely rotated to the new position it is supposed to be in, just to make sure it autosaves again. It should autosave as you quit, so I don't think that second step is necessary, but I don't think it could hurt your chances either.

    If anyone else tries I'd like to hear the results, or if it's a platform issue. Works for me on PS3.

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    Post by IV_Mark_VI on Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:05 pm

    I've never had a problem doing the glitch; I find it safer, especially on NG+, then using a phantom. If you're human, you can get invaded. I didn't know about the menu, but to make sure I ran all the way to the end and back, then wait 5 seconds. Never had it not work.


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    Post by Uparkaam on Thu Feb 14, 2013 2:41 pm

    I've never used any glitches or phantoms to get Avelyn. This method has always worked for me.


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    Re: Does anyone get the Avelyn in the Archieves with phantoms?

    Post by JoeBroski09 on Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:13 pm

    vilebyrd wrote:It is so annoying when a host wants to run through and get every little item. Dang kill the boss then do your exploration. Phantom are there to help you get to and kill the boss thats it. Its also amazing the amount of hosts who will not heal u with estus flasks.
    I think hosts don't heal summons because, in the old days, people would Dupe 99 humanity.


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    Post by Mr. Tart on Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:40 pm

    You guys seem to have bad luck with hosts. :evil:

    Come over to the 360 and join me. I'll make sure to heal you until you cry like a little b*tch! twisted

    Seriously though, i think i've only ever faced a host once or twice that wouldn't heal me. I simply left.

    When i put my summon sign, i lend my helping hand for whatever they need done. Exploring, bosses, ganking, whatever it may be, because i feel like that's the golden rule as a summon.

    I do however, have one condition. Heal my sorry *** or you're on your own. silly


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    Post by JoeBroski09 on Thu Feb 14, 2013 3:41 pm

    I play PC. And hosts rarely heal me sad


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    Post by IV_Mark_VI on Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:30 am

    I fight to the end, host healing or not. IF they're not healing, I just assume they don't get it; that they don't understand my health depends on their using estus flasks. I've PM'd some hosts after and this has always been the response (or that they didn't see I needed healing like in the middle of a boss fight).


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    Post by WandererReece on Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:13 pm

    Mr. Tart wrote:Come over to the 360 and join me. I'll make sure to heal you until you cry like a little b*tch! twisted

    Seriously though, i think i've only ever faced a host once or twice that wouldn't heal me. I simply left.

    Actually, this is how I think of it. If we are not fighting a boss or invader, then it's not the host job to heal me unless I'm outnumbered and about to die. If we are fighting a boss, then the host must heal me if he can.

    Once I was helping someone with the 4 kings. The first two times we got killed by them. When we were traveling to them a third time the host kept healing me when I was able to do it myself. I messaged the host, "Save your estus for the boss. Unless I'm surrounded I can heal myself."

    IV_Mark_VI wrote:(or that they didn't see I needed healing like in the middle of a boss fight).

    Sometimes it's hard to keep track of the phantoms health in a boss fight. Once I accidently didn't heal someone during a Sif fight because I didn't see his health bar till it was too late. Also, it can be hard on the 4 Kings in NG+ because the area is big and the kings can split you up if you're not careful.


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