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    Post by Infighter on Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:23 pm

    First of all I haven't read GRRM novels, but I plan to!

    I have few questions. Does the show follow similar plot to the novels? How do you guys remember all the plot lines I find myself struggling to remember some character names and crucial plot moments.

    And I heard that GRRM loves to kill most interesting characters say Eddard Stark ( Poor Sean Bean)

    And what do YOU expect from S3? I am keen to see Arya's story and how she is gonna (or not gonna) become a faceless man of Braavos


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    Re: Game of Thrones

    Post by RANT on Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:36 pm

    Season one did for the most part, season two sucked big time, there were character missing that were a big part on the second book I kinda hated it.


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    Re: Game of Thrones

    Post by Infighter on Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:40 pm

    RantFromRant wrote:Season one did for the most part, season two sucked big time, there were character missing that were a big part on the second book I kinda hated it.

    I liked S2 better than S1. I heard that S2 lacks 2 more battles but I think BlackWater ep makes up for it. I just can't stand Joffrey


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    Re: Game of Thrones

    Post by PlasticandRage on Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:57 pm

    I just started reading the second book today. I'm excited to get to the places that weren't covered in the show. The first season definitely followed the first book really closely. The only differences are really small details

    In fact the show even added some things that weren't in the book in the first season. Because some of the events were only seen through the eyes of children, you only get some details, as opposed to the show, where you see everything happen yourself


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    Post by Infighter on Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:59 pm

    PlasticandRage wrote:I just started reading the second book today. I'm excited to get to the places that weren't covered in the show. The first season definitely followed the first book really closely. The only differences are really small details

    I am guessing minor plot lines of some characters, and maybe few cities right?


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    Post by PlasticandRage on Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:00 pm

    ^ Even smaller than that. A few super minor characters, like people whose names are only mentioned once or twice, like bannermen that don't really matter except to show that armies are large, and small details like conversations that were never had in the show, that are only there for character development

    You should spoiler that Ned Stark thing in your first post. That's a big spoiler and not everyone's read/seen it.

    Anyway a perspective example is, in that scene in the book, you get it during an Arya chapter, and Yoren pulls her away as it's happening, so you get only some of the details.

    Actually now that I'm thinking about it, I am coming up with some more majorish characters that I don't think were in the show. I don't remember the Blackfish from the show, and he's becoming a more serious character


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    Re: Game of Thrones

    Post by RANT on Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:08 pm

    Well I hated it because they changed a lot and not in a good way, they ruined the series for me. I recommend not reading the books after the series is over then, then you'll see how much better the books are.


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    Post by PlasticandRage on Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:10 pm

    I don't feel quite that strongly about it, but I'm also only 20 pages into the second book. The books are obviously better than the show though. One thing they did in the show that I didn't really like is that they skip over battle scenes that are really in depth in the books

    I don't think Stannis' daughter was in the show either actually


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    Post by Infighter on Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:13 pm

    RantFromRant wrote:Well I hated it because they changed a lot and not in a good way, they ruined the series for me. I recommend not reading the books after the series is over then, then you'll see how much better the books are.

    What did they change so bad, that you hated it?


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    Post by Infighter on Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:14 pm

    PlasticandRage wrote:I don't feel quite that strongly about it, but I'm also only 20 pages into the second book. The books are obviously better than the show though. One thing they did in the show that I didn't really like is that they skip over battle scenes that are really in depth in the books

    I don't think Stannis' daughter was in the show either actually

    She's gonna be in S3


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    Post by RANT on Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:29 pm

    It didnt follow the book the way season one did, they chnaged a lot of bran's story line and meera and jojen were not in it at all which are two major charavters in his storyline.


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    Post by PlasticandRage on Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:30 pm

    Yeah, I don't even know who those characters are


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    Post by Infighter on Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:37 pm

    RantFromRant wrote:It didnt follow the book the way season one did, they chnaged a lot of bran's story line and meera and jojen were not in it at all which are two major charavters in his storyline.

    Reed and Jojen will be featured in S3


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    Post by RANT on Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:46 pm

    So they made them both males? Facepalm* yeah, probably won't even watch season three


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    Post by Infighter on Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:48 pm

    RantFromRant wrote:So they made them both males? Facepalm* yeah, probably won't even watch season three


    Nope Meera is female


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    Re: Game of Thrones

    Post by Carphil on Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:54 pm

    Show its all right. Just imagine this: less action, more naked people.

    But overall its cool. As long as Jon and Aria keep doing their job, I'll watch it


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    Re: Game of Thrones

    Post by RANT on Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:02 pm

    You said reed lol anyway, I'm not a fan of the tv series, I doubt they will cover everthing thwy missed from book two with bran's storyline, lame.


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    Post by Infighter on Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:08 pm

    RantFromRant wrote:You said reed lol anyway, I'm not a fan of the tv series, I doubt they will cover everthing thwy missed from book two with bran's storyline, lame.

    Sry My fault


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    Post by steveswede on Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:53 pm

    RantFromRant wrote:You said reed lol anyway, I'm not a fan of the tv series, I doubt they will cover everthing thwy missed from book two with bran's storyline, lame.

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    From my perspective, Bran and Theon in Clash of Kings was boring and in fact Bran has only started to pick up in A Dance with Dragons. Also in Season 2 there were some very nice changes like Daenerys story due to it being pretty boring in the book until you got to the house of the undying, Robb Stark having a POV instead of it being told from Catelyn's POV was better as I hated the @ss kissing she get's in the books and the battle of black water was done very well and I actually enjoyed more than the book, although Sansa's POV at that point in the books is better. Arya's POV was both brilliant in the books aswell as the series with it's changes, Tywin and Arya's chemistry was better than, if I remember correctly was Roose Bolton, I was just sad that the broth scene was left out. My only complaints with Season two is that some scenes in the series were not tight like they were in the books. Renly's scenes, Tyrion's tactics with Pycell, Balish and Vary's, Sandor and Sansa moments, the Mountain's brutal scenes in Arya's POV and just the shortness of the season as an extra 2 episodes would have stopped the season from feeling rushed. But hey, they had a small budget and considering what they did with it, it's still an incredible product, a work of art and puts alot of other shows to shame.
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    Post by Peaceful Wollyhop on Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:08 am

    I don't know why you can't just take the books and series and two separate things. I find this really annoying and applies to all series made from novels. Just because the tv series isn't accurate or parallel to the books should not be the incentive to hate it.


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    Post by sure-magicians on Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:45 am

    RantFromRant wrote:Well I hated it because they changed a lot and not in a good way, they ruined the series for me. I recommend not reading the books after the series is over then, then you'll see how much better the books are.

    Won't go as far as saying I hate the series but I agree that the books are way better, once you start reading you get sucked in and can't stop reading.
    Season One was ok but the second not so much, for me at least...


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    Post by Serious_Much on Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:19 am

    I haven't read the books, but one thing the show definitely shows itself to be is very much character and interaction oriented as oppose to action oriented.

    I think this coming season is more likely to include more action with the introduction of the white walkers for real, snow's capture and Rob's petulance in marrying that random woman..

    One thing I do hope for is a change in the pacing, because frankly the dialogue and scenes in general can be incredibly overdrawn and probably contributes to a reduction in material of the show. Which therein probably alienates fans of the books by leaving out key characters and events.

    Another change I'd like is a reduction in the embarrassing amount of nakedness in the show. Frankly I've never bought the whole deal that it 'would have been like that in those days', or that it's at all important to character development (the one exception for me being the season one drogo and callisi scenes). To me it's always seemed like a desperate attempt to get people not interested in the fantasy genre to watch the show, and sometimes even as an apology to the snail's pacing in many episodes


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    Post by steveswede on Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:16 pm

    Serious_Much wrote:I haven't read the books, but one thing the show definitely shows itself to be is very much character and interaction oriented as oppose to action oriented.

    I think this coming season is more likely to include more action with the introduction of the white walkers for real, snow's capture and Rob's petulance in marrying that random woman.

    Spoiler:
    Yes some action with Wights and the Others but not a war, Jon hasn't been captured he's just under cover as a turn cloak. Jon and Ygrette don't marry but have a relationship, after all Jon killed her two lovers (LOL take it she's been dped) and she makes advances on him.

    Serious_Much wrote:One thing I do hope for is a change in the pacing, because frankly the dialogue and scenes in general can be incredibly overdrawn and probably contributes to a reduction in material of the show. Which therein probably alienates fans of the books by leaving out key characters and events.

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    Then you would probably hate alot of the scenes in the book because that is a common thing in them, which is the reason I found Bran, Theon, Catelyn POV boring a good few times.

    Serious_Much wrote:Another change I'd like is a reduction in the embarrassing amount of nakedness in the show. Frankly I've never bought the whole deal that it 'would have been like that in those days', or that it's at all important to character development (the one exception for me being the season one drogo and callisi scenes). To me it's always seemed like a desperate attempt to get people not interested in the fantasy genre to watch the show, and sometimes even as an apology to the snail's pacing in many episodes

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    Actually sex scenes and sex fantasies are a common occurrence in the books, especially with Tyrion, Daenerys, Jamie and Jon (very funny scene with Jon going down on Ygrette). Yes there is more in the show than the books with the TV only red head prostitute character but it spices up alot of the otherwise boring exposition (sexposition it was nicknamed LOL) that would have been hard to translate to the TV screen.
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    Post by Serious_Much on Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:32 pm

    Unless you put that stuff into words that don't need to be whacked in spoiler boxes, I'm not gonna read it. Sorry but if you wanna discuss it, at least do so without ruining it for me


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    Post by steveswede on Sat Feb 09, 2013 12:47 pm

    Serious_Much wrote:Unless you put that stuff into words that don't need to be whacked in spoiler boxes, I'm not gonna read it. Sorry but if you wanna discuss it, at least do so without ruining it for me

    There are no major spoilers for you, just some clarifications on what you've said that have been hidden so others here don't read them if they don't want to. The Story is too big to be spoiled in a handful of quotes. Honestly anyone who's read the books will tell you that what I've put in those spoiler boxes might sound revealing but are actually insignificant.

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