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    This game is awesome

    Post by BIG TIME MASTER on Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:52 pm

    I'm pretty close to finishing off my first play through. This game is in no way inferior to DKS, IMO. It is like an extension, or vice versa. The same, yet different. I am pleased. Purchasing a PS3 was well worth it if I only even play this game (and Okami HD!).

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    Post by densetsushun on Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:39 pm

    Dark Souls was a spiritual successor, I think DkS is what From would've been able to made had they had Bamco's funding from the start, but as you can see their lore is still strong and the system is still amazing. Levels still get you going.


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    Re: This game is awesome

    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:10 am

    What about PvP? Have you tried some duels? What's your opinion on weapon movesets? I think they're crazy, rapiers slow and greataxes so fast...


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    Post by Forum Pirate on Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:43 am

    I prefer demons, especially the level design


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    Re: This game is awesome

    Post by BIG TIME MASTER on Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:43 am

    I have only been invaded once, it felt the same as DKS to me. I assume that there are a lot of balancing issues worked out in DKS, but I've never been a big PVPer anyways.

    Overall I like the weapon move sets better, though I haven't yet messed with any big weapons. I think the clubs/axes have better movesets, and the swords have more oomph to them. The spears are more versatile too.

    I like the level design more as well, and also that they are much larger.
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    Post by WyrmHero on Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:53 am

    Ohhhh I see. My favorite moveset so far was the 2 handed great hammer/greataxe. You literally can't get interrupted while swinging those weapons.


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    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard on Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:28 am

    yeah because hyperarmor was a thing back then... still though its nice that a newbie can stunlock a griefer to death with ease in demons as most low level grifers suck at pvp techniques so no toggle escape, had a guy with a full dragon weapon show up on 1-2 as soon as i entered, 2 handed my guillotine axe stuned him to death.


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    Post by BIG TIME MASTER on Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:41 am

    What is hyperarmor?
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    Post by steveswede on Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:51 am

    BIG TIME MASTER wrote:What is hyperarmor?

    Another term for ultimate poise using the animation of a weapon.
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    Post by Forum Pirate on Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:42 am

    Ie you can't stun someone out of their attack if their weapon grants hyper armor (like the greataxe)


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    Post by raecor14 on Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:54 am

    i see demons souls almost as an extended tutorial. a brilliant one but most of the weapons played similarly. but it has the better story, characters, spells and weapons.


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    Post by steveswede on Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:48 am

    raecor14 wrote:but it has the better story, characters, spells and weapons.

    All of this is a point of view, especially the story because in my mind, DkS story is bigger, deeper and more interesting than DeS.
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    Post by BIG TIME MASTER on Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:52 am

    I don't think one is better than the other. I don't see a point in trying to even think that way. DKS is certainly more refined, but DS is special in it's own right.

    Personally, I enjoyed the DKS characters more, but the DS weapons and armors more.
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    Post by Forum Pirate on Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:00 am

    Notice I said "I prefer." I like everything except the story and spells better in ds. I actually like the idea of the spells better in ds, but not the implementation. (Ie second chance was cool, second chance + old sage was not)


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    Post by steveswede on Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:12 am

    BIG TIME MASTER wrote:I don't think one is better than the other. I don't see a point in trying to even think that way.

    Understandable but at some point you will have a preference to one of them even if you like them both very much, much like your preference for NPC's and weapons from each game.
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    Post by Forum Pirate on Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:23 am

    ^That doesn't make it better. I prefer the Shelby GT500 to the Ferrari Enzo.


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    Post by steveswede on Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:10 am

    Forum Pirate wrote:^That doesn't make it better. I prefer the Shelby GT500 to the Ferrari Enzo.

    I never said that and I don't get your point you're trying to make to me. I made a point earlier to a post that saying something's better is just a point of view so this "that doesn't make it better" comment makes no sense.
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    Post by Forum Pirate on Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:25 pm

    Better is objective and measurable. Ie the enzo is a better car, even if the gt500 is better for something specific.

    With games, where "better" is subjective, better isn't a fair term. Its misleading, as it refers to objective truths. Thus preference becomes the accurate term, as it indicates subjective truth, which may or may not be backed with objective truths.

    "I prefer the gt500 to the enzo, but the enzo is a better car" is fair, "the gt500 is better for what I do" is fair, "the gt500 is better" is wrong, and can be proven to be so.

    In essence; prefered =/= better. I wasn't arguing what you said, I was objecting to the use of the word better to indicate preference.


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    Post by densetsushun on Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:29 pm

    Forum Pirate wrote:With games, where "better" is subjective, better isn't a fair term. Its misleading, as it refers to objective truths.
    ...I think I just Abyss'd all over the place. Thank you, good sir. Praise the logic! Praise the Sun
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    Post by steveswede on Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:59 pm

    Forum Pirate wrote:Better is objective and measurable. Ie the enzo is a better car, even if the gt500 is better for something specific.

    With games, where "better" is subjective, better isn't a fair term. Its misleading, as it refers to objective truths. Thus preference becomes the accurate term, as it indicates subjective truth, which may or may not be backed with objective truths.

    Why are you telling me this? Are you being objective to what I've said because you're just repeating what I said, just differently.
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    steveswede wrote:
    BIG TIME MASTER wrote:I don't think one is better than the other. I don't see a point in trying to even think that way.

    Understandable but at some point you will have a preference to one of them even if you like them both very much, much like your preference for NPC's and weapons from each game.
    Right there you equate prefered to better, by responding to him saying he doesn't see either as better, saying nothing of preference, with "at one point you will develop a preference." Wether or not he prefers one or the other has no bearing on which is better, or which he thinks is better, so either you were equating the terms or responding in a manner inconsistent with the conversation. Assuming you have basic social skills, I saw it as the former and pointed out the fualt with an example, point of which you obviously missed or we wouldn't be having this discussion.


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    Post by Conrack on Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:29 pm

    sparkly-twinkly-lizard wrote:yeah because hyperarmor was a thing back then... still though its nice that a newbie can stunlock a griefer to death with ease in demons as most low level grifers suck at pvp techniques so no toggle escape, had a guy with a full dragon weapon show up on 1-2 as soon as i entered, 2 handed my guillotine axe stuned him to death.

    If he was wearing full mirdan with a dragon mirdan hammer it was me silly, was griefing abit when it first came out digitally, I couldnt let any noobies have too easy a time could I?


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    Post by Animaaal on Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:10 pm

    After I got a taste of jumping I couldn't go back. I tried, it just wasn't the same for me. Dark Souls ruined Demon's Souls for me.

    Also, imo, if Dark Souls came out before Demon's Souls, people would have a huge nostolgia withdrawl from Dark Souls.

    I miss somethings from Demon's Souls though:

    1) Mana.
    2) Talisman of Beasts.
    3) Some weapon speeds and some weapon upgrade paths.
    4) Some of the armor styles.
    5) The fact that no family masks exsisted.
    6) "Touch the demon inside me".....sexy.
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    Post by raecor14 on Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:10 am

    steveswede wrote:
    raecor14 wrote:but it has the better story, characters, spells and weapons.

    All of this is a point of view, especially the story because in my mind, DkS story is bigger, deeper and more interesting than DeS.
    its deeper but for me it doesn't connect on an emotional level (except siff). when you first have to kill maiden astria i hesitated. when you got biorr helping me with the penetrator i was really relieved. and when i had to kill ostrava i was so so sad. the weapons i like because they all felt different (though most played similarly) and the magic made me feel powerful and the faith spells made me feel protected. that may have just been me but yeahhhhh


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    Post by densetsushun on Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:10 am

    Animaaal wrote:After I got a taste of jumping I couldn't go back. I tried, it just wasn't the same for me. Dark Souls ruined Demon's Souls for me.

    Also, imo, if Dark Souls came out before Demon's Souls, people would have a huge nostolgia withdrawl from Dark Souls.

    I miss somethings from Demon's Souls though:

    1) Mana.
    2) Talisman of Beasts.
    3) Some weapon speeds and some weapon upgrade paths.
    4) Some of the armor styles.
    5) The fact that no family masks exsisted.
    6) "Touch the demon inside me".....sexy.
    1) That's arguably what made magic OP, along with MP regen silly
    2) Again, OP. The most powerful magic with stuff like Second Chance, GW and healing miracles silly
    6) "Let strength be granted so the world might be mended... So the world might be mended...

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